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Eschatology Issues XXIX

Question #1:    
Let's prioritise this question [omitted].
Response #1:
Sorry for the delay. Things are a bit up in the air here. We just got word here at U of L today that we're not going to be having classes on campus until at least the second week in April, so I'm giving myself a crash course in online instruction. My poor students! I'm thinking I'll be busier than if I could just go in there and get chalk on my sleeves.

I'll try to get to your other questions tomorrow once things settle down here a bit.

In Jesus,
Question #2:
Below is the completed response [omitted].
Response #2:
That's excellent, my friend! Good job getting back to the key point about the gospel at the end – that is what it is really all about.

Began today with the "remote" teaching exercise, but it'll take some time to figure this all out. Curt Omo is giving me pointers too. I'm blessed to have a job that lends itself to this work-around, even if clumsily so.

How are things with you? In the US they are cancelling all professional sporting events and some practices as well. How is this affecting your business? Can't be good for any business. It's only been a few days since things went into panic-mode in the states (some talk of declaring a national emergency), but it seems already like several weeks. A good exercise for the Tribulation I'm sure. One thing we know for certain: the Lord never lets us down. NEVER.

Keeping you in my prayers daily, my friend.

In Jesus Christ our dear Lord and Savior.

Bob L.
Question #3:
Hello Professor,

I agree - it is a good thing that your work allows for a work-around and I'm confident you will acquire all the necessary skills soon. With you being able to stay at home this situation might turn out to be of at least some benefit fo you. I pray for your professional matters daily.

And regarding remote work - our friend has probably informed you about his move to Scotland where it is mainly by consulting his clients in this way that he will be earning his sustenance. This decision is a great spiritual step forward for him, as he will be able to commit much more time to ministry now. And it is a reason for joy to me, as he is one of my closest people and I know he can bear bountiful fruit for the Lord.

My trip scheduled for next week just got cancelled, so that is a loss. We cannot know when things will be back to normal, I just have to leave it in God's hands.

I agree that it's a good exercise for the Tribulation. This situation showed what we know anyway - how fragile this world is, how easily people panic and how the Antichrist will be able to take advantage of all this, mainly the ubiquitous unbelief.

In the grace and power of our Lord,
Response #3:
Spent the day on all this "stuff", down at the uni two days in a row now on what was supposed to be spring break. Got a laptop and some info, but teething is going to take a lot of time. It's looking like this will be more work – and a lot less satisfying – than teaching in person.

Sorry about your trip. Can't imagine how you'd video conference your work, but I suppose it can be done. Guess we're all going to find out pretty quick.

Things here in the states have gotten weirder by the minute. Hard to believe we only hear a little over 48 hours ago that U of L was going to keep students away. 

Yes, at the moment people are "focused" but that's not far from panic. At least this DOES cause folks to see how fragile it all is. But life always has been so. That's the point. Perhaps this will lead to more reliance on the Lord or turning to Him – don't see it yet, but it is early.

Thanks for your patience. All this has blown my schedule right out of the water.

Your friend in Jesus Christ,

Bob L.
Question #4:
I'm sorry to hear about all this. But despite all the problems maybe it will give you at least some benefits over time (being able to stay at home, no time spent on commuting, etc.).

Occasionally I do remote work, but most of my coaching is still done face-to-face. At the moment I can only wait.

Things are getting weirder everywhere now, it seems. I have not followed this whole situation at all, but now that it affected me with my work being cancelled, I'm realising about things myself as well.

As to turning to the Lord, I hope this happens at least in some cases, but I'm approaching this situation with realistic expectations. Having now seen the lack of desire for the truth even among those to whom I ministered on their deathbed, I cannot see people turning to the Lord in masses, but maybe a couple of hearts will open.

All understood about your schedule, no problem.

In our Lord,
Response #4:
We'll take this one step at a time. The old laptop my department gave me has problems and won't do for what I need. I'll be taking it back on Monday. I've gotten my microphone and my tablet and I just ordered a camera for my PC which should arrive by Monday. So I'm hoping to be able to move my classes to video-conference mode next week. Blessedly, they extended the break until Wednesday so one way or another I'll have something either uploaded or live for my students for their first day back "virtually". One problem I'll have is that many of my students do not have this kind of access or don't know how to use it if they do or have limited data packages even so. Add to that the flake-out factor (normal and now intensified) and I'll be surprised if I end up getting half of my students to participate in a timely fashion. But if I can get the video conference working, it's possible to record the sessions and load them on our university platform. That way, even students who can't/won't participate can at least get the info from the lesson and make progress. But what of my students who don't have internet access at all? I would tell them to go to the library but they're telling them to stay away from campus and in most places the public libraries are closing. Our governor even strongly suggested that our churches cease in-person services at least for a while. They actually ordered churches to close here during the Spanish flu in 1919. One pastor refused and was jailed – and conducted services through the window of his jail cell! What the quality of the "sermon" was we are not told.

It's amazing to me just how dysfunctional things have become over what is, historically speaking, nothing much. The London blitz killed 32K with 80+K seriously injured, and destroyed a tremendous amount of property and infrastructure. We have no such thing worldwide, let alone in the US, but things are being disrupted well beyond any such previous disaster.  Of course as one friend pointed out to me, "at least bombs are not contagious".

The Tribulation is going to be worse – by far – and all this demonstrates that the world is certainly not ready for it. But this is a good "status check" for us all personally. I think it shows that we could all afford to be a little better prepared spiritually.

Thanks for your prayers, my friend – keeping you in mine daily as well.

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #5:
Hi Bob and family,
I heard some information the other day that I thought might interest you.
The first one was of no surprise except that it came out of the Coronavirus pandemic. A newsagency has announced that it will not accept cash for transactions because of the possibility that the virus could be contracted through the handling of money – which is understandable and will probably snowball to other businesses. The alarming thing is that it has sparked calls for a cashless system to be introduced as soon as possible to mitigate the possibility and not just from one source. Of course it was dismissed but it will be ‘fuel for the fire’ and making it easier to establish when it finally comes about. People will accept it readily because ‘it is in their best interests’ and not knowing the real reasons because of blindness.
The second one caused me sadness. About a week ago a friend of a friend of mine who is a painter came to our home to quote on a small painting job and we got talking and out of nowhere, the conversation turned to God, which caused my ears to prick up making me happy to continue the conversation. The sad part came when he told me about his daughter and by his age I was guessing she would have been around 13 – 15.
He was saying that she was asking questions about God and even though he wasn’t a Christian he was trying to answer as best he could. And then she said, what about the T man? That took him by surprise and he said what do you mean by the T man? She said – you know, the T man,! And she stood up and held her arms out horizontal!!!
Of course it hit me straight away, she was meaning Jesus.
I couldn’t have been more sad that this young girl knew nothing about Jesus, which is a terrible situation in this country and no doubt yours and others as well. It made me think of my own school days when there was at least one period a week on scripture and sadly, that is no longer the case in public schools anymore and has been so for quite a number of years. I totally understand the rejection from society, particularly the young but it just confirms how Satan is breaking down society in so many ways. It’s so easy to see how close Tribulation really is now and when it arrives in just 6 short years there will be no surprise at all.
Wake up people – there’s not much time and salvation is free. Oh if they only knew. It reminds me of Arthur Stace – ‘the Eternity man’ who wrote Eternity on street corners in yellow chalk all over Sydney from 1932 to 1967. Everyone who lived in Sydney at that time saw it and all wondered who he was until he was discovered writing it. The scripture that inspired him to write that word came from Isaiah 57: 15. The very next verse should give reason for concern.
Hoping this email finds you well Bob and I’ll make this do for now my friend.
Response #5:
Thanks for the update and the perspective!

It's very true that folks have little idea what can happen in the Tribulation. This crisis certainly makes it clear that if we can get this sort of worldwide dislocation so quickly now, before the Holy Spirit's restraining ministry is removed and before antichrist comes on the scene, there is no anticipating just how rapidly things can change for the worse once the Tribulation does begin. People who think they have security in money or possessions or weapons or stockpiles or anything else are going to be sorely disabused once the darkness falls. But one thing that can never be taken from us is the truth in our hearts. So there's nothing better than the truth of the Word and nothing more important than spiritual growth -- now more than ever.

This is all a good "gut check" to see where we are at personally. There are two sides to the strait and narrow and each runs into a deep ditch. The one side is allure of the world, all lusts and desires which are not godly. They are gossamer and can never be actually caught (Prov.23:5), and only bring disaster in the end. I call this "psuedo-happiness"; you can pursue it all your want, but you can never catch it (just look at Harvey Weinstein or Julius Epstein -- no amount of money or pleasure satisfies and leads to a horrible end). The ditch on the other side is "pseudo-security": the more a person pursues the things that will supposedly bring safety and security in this world, the more nervous about danger he/she is likely to become -- or else very wrongly assume that "now" they cannot be touched. But death comes to all (Lk.12:20).

The "boat" of worldly pleasure and security is a "ship of fools". It's going to go down with all hands. But we who believe in Jesus Christ have a right to abandon that ship . . . and walk instead by faith on the water with Jesus Christ. We have a right to turn our back on all this noise and churn, to rise above these troubles, worries, fears on the one side, lusts, desires and vanities on the other, push them aside, leave them behind, and remember that we have a better hope to which we are anchored firmly and securely, right into the throne room of God Almighty (Heb.6:19). We are walking over all these troubled waters on a rainbow bridge that leads directly to the glory of God. It's a short Sabbath day journey. We just need to keep pushing forward toward that upward goal in anticipation of reward and a "well done!" from the One we love more than life, carrying our crosses and walking through this world like the good sojourners we ought to be, remember that there is nothing here for us in this temporary world -- nothing good at all except for our dear Lord Jesus, His people our Church, and the truth of the Word of God.

It's a good time to reread the Coming Tribulation series (link). That's what I'm doing.

Keeping you and your family in my prayers daily, my friend.

In Jesus Christ our dear Lord and Savior,

Bob L.
Question #6:
Bob,

We got the biopsy results. It is cancer (adenocarcinoma), but they’re pretty sure it hasn’t spread anywhere outside the mass. They want to do a chest CT scan to make sure, since the abdominal CT scan and colonoscopy showed nothing except the mass. The oncologist is back in the office on Monday and will tell us then what the treatment will be (almost certainly surgery, but we don’t know about chemo or radiation).

Thank you for your advice regarding “aggressive trusting” and “wait hard”. The examples of Elijah and Moses being thrown off by something small were also helpful. Last week was tough because of all the things happening in quick succession, with each day having more challenges than a normal week would bring. Right now I feel like I’m in the eye of the storm until Monday when we hear what the treatment will entail.

There was one other event from a few weeks ago that I forgot to include in the list. Our washing machine broke and partially flooded the laundry room. While cleaning it up I stepped on one of the super-duper-sticky bug traps and lost a pair of shoes. In the scheme of things it might not be too significant but it was yet another hassle to go through while everything else was also going on.

We got an email from the Israel tour group and they said that the tour is still on and if anything changes they’ll update us. Even though Israel is 14-day-quarantining people coming from NY for the next two weeks, they seem confident that the quarantine will be lifted after that. I saw your email about your in-person classes being cancelled. My relative teaches at a college here on Long Island, and they too are going virtual for the next few weeks. It seems like I was ahead of the curve on this working from home thing.

I’m sure you’re probably getting all kinds of emails asking whether this virus is some kind of end times plague related to the pale horse or something. If anything, this is all but a foretaste of what I expect is to come in the actual Tribulation. I saw a video yesterday about when the Plague swept through Geneva in the days of John Calvin. Certainly the Plague was far more deadly then than this virus is now and it wasn’t an eschatological event. The video discussed the protocols they had in which ordinary Christians were allowed to flee the city and isolate themselves, but the pastors were required to stay behind and minister to the plague-stricken people (except Calvin, who was deemed too important to risk exposing to the plague). Thankfully, with today’s technology, ministering to sick people while maintaining a quarantine is much easier.

As always, thank you for your prayers.

In Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior,
Response #6:
The evil one knows well how to lay it on, one blow after another, and it is often the frequency of the blows that trips believers up – but the Lord is always there and there is always a calm after the storm: the boat makes it to the other side every time. Our job is to try and remember that and not get too upset. Easier for those of us NOT in such a storm to say than for those of us who ARE to actually do (I know that from much experience as well).

Interesting about Calvin and Geneva! I've been getting a question or two but it's still early – it just seems that weeks worth of time has gone by in the last 48 hours.

I will be praying for your mom and you, my friend.

Please keep me updated.

In Jesus our dear Savior,

Bob L.
Question #7:
Hello Bob again!

I know I am probably almost over my quota for questions(!) but there is one question that has had me scratching my head for a very long time.

I am studying your Tribulation series with great interest. I'm not sure if you already have addressed my query within it (I haven't found reference to it yet but I am still reading and learning). My question is (and I hope you don't mind that I have borrowed your own words to phrase it as your words expertly sum up what I wish to say): Will the antichrist's kingdom be; Pagan, idolatrous and sensual? Traditional, legalistic and ascetic? Or both?

It's interesting that these two are types of apostasies committed in the past. I'm inclined to think that it will be both as I realise that both sin and legalism are both traps for Christians to avoid. I also am beginning to see these two seemingly opposite standpoints of sin and legalism growing side by side with each other in society. I wonder if the false peace that the antichrist will bring will include a marriage between these two opposing standpoints. 

Making those who love to sin and those who love to judge happy at the same time. They would then be unified in their hatred of Christians in that we do not embrace sin but also stand for the truth of Jesus being the only way whilst showing love and forgiveness at the same time. 

Many thanks again my friend!

In Our Lord and Saviour,
Response #7:
It's a great question – and great insight on your part! Yes, I would check "all of the above". There is only so much we've been told in scripture, but it does seem to me -- as I have often written – that the beast's religion and system will be syncretic. Only actual believers in Christ and only the actual truth will be kept out. Here's a link to the main links on this:
Antichrist alive and well
Things are very busy right now. We just got word here at U of L yesterday that we're not going to be having classes on campus until at least the second week in April, so I'm giving myself a crash course in online instruction. Microphone and tablet coming from Amazon today. What a mess!

Apropos of your question too is what is happening now. I'm not hearing of people turning back to the Lord or seeing that He is the only solution. This is exactly what will happen during the Tribulation where people will flock to the devil's religion as never before once it's been unified as per the links in the link above. But how will they respond to the judgment the Lord will bring down?
The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
Revelation 9:20 NIV

They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.
Revelation 16:9 NIV

From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.
Revelation 16:21 NIV
We believers who live on the cusp of the above tribulational events need to take these things to heart, and we need to remember that all such judgments and disasters – as well as the one which we are experiencing now – if they are judgments from God are NOT aimed at us. That doesn't mean we won't be discomforted by them, but it does mean that we can count on our Lord to deliver us THROUGH them if not from them (cf. Jer.45:5).

Stay healthy!

In Jesus our dear Savior,

Bob L.
Question #8:
Dear Professor 

I have referred to the link you gave, which I reread, and am pleased you have shared your knowledge with me and that you have confidence in your understanding of the “time line” of the Church Age and the extremely difficult period immediately preceding the Second Advent of our Lord. This kind of information is important. More, even critical.

As to the last days, Jesus said, 
“But be on guard, I have told you ALL things beforehand”. Mark 13:23 ESV
"But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things”. Mark 13:23 KJV 
When everything is in turmoil, we will need that knowledge, to keep our faith in Him. I am grateful to you for expanding this knowledge. It is better to know the truth, even of horrible times to come, than to be caught unawares and be completely bewildered. 

I apologise for my lengthy emails. You need not answer all my questions, and I have read most of your works- except not a lot of your last completed work - as I am rereading The Satanic Rebellion for more understanding.

The Saturday night party was ok. I was the only “Australian” adult there. My older boys did not go and my youngest wanted to leave early in the evening - which we did. An accountant chap there, mentioned he had met a man who came to our Bible fellowship. (HE brought it up)

Me: You are welcome to attend if you like.
He: I have different beliefs.
Me: Would you like to share those beliefs with me?
He: (Silence)

Today, talking about this at home, I was told that some people like to keep their beliefs to themselves. (What was that about being willing to give a defence for the hope you have). I do concede people do have a right not to talk about it - though I do tend to see this as a cop out. Contrast this experience to one __ (he proclaims there is no God), extremely passionate proclamation of his belief. His passion was more than a match for the American Baptist Preaching at the world televised Royal wedding.

Should we be sharing with each other, till we ALL come to the knowledge of the Truth? I am very reliant on your teachings. 

There is this background fear that if I share, as THEY “share” their understanding, that I may become more isolated from other believers and lose the opportunities to share what I have learned at your site.. Hence, I plan to share information with them, based on your explanations, in smaller portion sizes. What I like is that you give a reason for your hope of eternal life, also quoting from the Bible, AND being prepared to REASON with others, from the Bible. 

Another thought. Your explanation of the last days timeline is quite detailed. We can discern who the antichrist is, by the manner of his ascension to power and military campaigns. (Will reread to see if antichrist is in control of Babylon at the start of the Tribulation). Your description of the plagues timeline is also detailed in your writings.

I know you have explained the time for exiting Babylon (is Australia included in this fleeing?); what would be preventing believers from going to Judea prior to this time, so that we may also flee to the mountains at the time (or before) of the Abomination that makes desolate is set up in the Jerusalem Temple? Mark 13:14

Nobody in their right mind, and having the choice, would choose to ‘tough it out” in the 2nd half - especially since the 1st half is horrible enough. 

I do appreciate your explanation of our Lord placing us where He wants us to be and to use us for His glory and our reward - but was wondering whether the prior option is totally out of the question for non-residents of Judea?

Being isolated from others is a really bad feeling, even now. Imagine, “And you will be hated of ALL men for my name’s sake: ...” Mark 13:13a. Cast out, or cast into prison or death. I imagine not nearly so horrible as the outer darkness non-believers will be cast into.

“Imagine”, the catchy tune, invites made made “solutions” without God, or heaven, or laws, OR countries etc. (The Tribulation)

Mans heart can imagine some very foolish thoughts. I can see all these “subtle” man made ideas leading rapidly to a total rejection of the truth by the great majority. Extremely saddening for me to observe. Impossible to watch the news without noticing the obvious promotion of anti Truth, anti God ideas and images.

Here is endeavouring to share the truth, while striving to not be disqualified myself. The minefield is tricky. I value your Ministry and prayers. I pray for you and your family daily. 

Thank you for using His gift to bless us. (Take your time. No hurry for a reply)

In our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Your student 
Response #8:
Scripture is pretty clear that the believing Jews who have responded to the Moses-Elijah 144K ministry are the ones who are given to escape at the Tribulation's midpoint. The escapees are described as the Woman who represents Israel (Rev.12:1ff.). Is it possible that gentile believers will be allowed to come along? I'm not saying it's impossible. It does seem, however, that the precipitous nature of the flight rules out anyone not in Israel at the time (whether gentile or Jewish believer) will have the opportunity to do so as the window for flight is very small. 

Believe me. If I had that chance, I would grab it. But there is plan, after all, and if it is our lot to endure the Tribulation to the end or to be martyred, we know that there are many in both categories. The flight from Babylon near the end of the Tribulation, of course, is different. There seems to be a wider window for that, but not so big that believers living there will be able to hesitate when the command to flee is heard. We know the distance is great and by that time the means of flight may be complicated. But the Lord will provide. For gentile believers to go to Israel before the time of the 5th bowl judgment when the beast is (temporarily) removed from his capital of Jerusalem, would be unwise even if possible and probably impossible for all practical purposes. 

So we are most likely going to have to wait on events precisely as scripture indicates. It is true, of course, that we only know the wide parameters of these things. They will no doubt "look and feel" somewhat different in actual experience (along the lines of reading about war and combat and actually having to go through it), and there will also no doubt be many other things which are consistent and consonant with what the Bible teaches but which are not there in fine detail (as with a possible opportunity you are considering here). 

I've often wondered what believers not in Babylon are supposed to do – and also whether or not other venues besides Israel would be acceptable for flight. The best I can say about that is that Babylon is going to be destroyed – not other places where believers have survived up to that point; and also scripture does not say that Israel is "the destination" for flight, merely that we are to flee when the time comes. So maybe you won't be going to Israel but maybe I'll be coming to Australia. If we make it to that point (a sizeable "if" for a number of reasons), we'll just have to consider the situation then.

Your friend in Jesus Christ our dear Lord and Savior,

Bob L.
Question #9:
When I remember how they would always write Biblical things into daily life (in the colonies), I mean they had daily readings of the Bible-even sometimes twice a day, and they taught their children to read with the Bible, all that knowledge and devotion, I feel inspired. I have already wasted so much time, but there is only forward right now.

If I were to ask a Colonial person, they could give all the details, and even those who didn't believe had the facts of what was claimed in the story in their mind.

I also get the impression that there was still a lot of Bible knowledge at least up until my grandfather's generation (the Greatest Gen), so I don't know when it was lost. Just that
growing up in the more modern ones, it didn't seem to be there. It is odd, I have a memory where they made a joke about missing the rapture, and I wondered how any one could fall for
the Beast, but so much can change so fast in culture and general knowledge. Anyway, sorry to ramble. I hope you are well. Please take care.

If it makes you feel better, you have a wonderful wealth of knowledge; most people have no idea when they read the Bible, all the stuff you do. I mean I have read many of the devotionals and personally don't feel like most of them are more than fluff. Sort of like the Bible saying x, and then they take many words to say 'see the Bible says {insert synonyms for x}. At least that is the impression I get sometimes. 

I know when I used to read pieces from the Colonial Era (just as an example), they at least had good Biblical knowledge. I mean they know the facts, persons, stories, places in it and alluded to it in their writings. We don't even have that. I mean I could ask how many animals "Moses" took on the Ark, and I wonder how many people would say "2"!

But I think your being able to know what the original languages say tops it all
Response #9:
Knowing a lot about the Bible, being "Bible literate" is great; believing it is much better. That is where most people, including many Christians, then and now, fall short. The WWII generation was not particularly spiritual from what I have seen of them (they were the ones in charge when I was young) and from what I read about the period; so even if in general they knew more about the Bible (doubtful), it doesn't seem to have done them a whole lot of good, "not having been mixed with faith" (Heb.4:2).  In order for any truth to be beneficial to you, you have to completely believe it, especially in times of intense pressure.

Laodicea is in sorry shape, to be sure. But once the Tribulation begins, while one third falls away, the rest do make it spiritually (half of these being strong enough in faith to be martyred); so my conclusion is that there will be much work for all that small number of believers like yourself who are concerned about the truth ahead of time, and thus prepared to help others once the darkness falls.

In Jesus our dear Savior,

Bob L.
Question #10:
May I just say one caveat? "didn't do them any good" Well no, not them very much. But I imagine it did the ones among them who were believers good. They didn't have to invent the wheel. I mean it would be easier to teach a group from them a Bible class. You could get into complicated topics and quote the Bible without having to stop every time and explain that this quote comes from here, and this person said it. I mean, I don't know if you know this, (probably because you know so much), but in a lot of British pieces and in Early American pieces, they constantly quoted from the Classics, and they didn't have to sit and explain each time where it
came from. The listener/reader was expected to know. So they were able to write more layered and complex things.

Take random believers today and you have to start with basics like 1+1=2. Like that it was Noah, and not Moses on the Ark.

In conclusion that the believers then (excluding the nonbelievers who were just cultural Christians) had Biblical knowledge at least that we lack. I do think that makes them a bit better off than the believers now. And I mean I think you alluded to this with the previous generations then in comparison to now when you talk about the seven churches. 

"Trust in the Lord because He is trustworthy." Fin

Well, you would know better than me what they were like generally. And I would guess that many of those way back even in colonial times-that for at least some of them it was just cultural and they didn't believe. 

I have been doing somewhat well with Bible and Greek (bit by bit) and trying to walk in a sanctified way. I also usually say a small prayer every day for a few people. I have to be careful not to be faith-less regarding God's path for me in life. Sometimes I think that maybe due to the hearing I am in a small group that doesn't have one. I mean I am sure there are some disabled who believe but are unable to do much, and we are an exception to all that. Or maybe not, I don't know. If we do live through the Tribulation, it will be very hard for hard of hearing people. It is bad enough trying to know what is going on now when people are impatient and uncaring. Might just be a day to day survival.

I really look forward to that day when it will be all over and we will be free of all this forever. It is a finite amount of time in our lives, and that is the limit. So that helps. One step at a time.

In the Lord,
Response #10:
Right, but it didn't do the unbelievers any good, even if they knew a lot about the Bible because of growing up in a Christian culture that prized biblical literacy. And it didn't do the believers who never exploited it with any spiritual growth much good (that is debatable: they may actually have more to answer for).

But it's great that YOU are reading into the Classics and the Bible. No doubt the Tribulation will be hard for everyone. But the Lord knows just how to deploy all of His assets:
And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
Acts 8:1b KJV

Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
Acts 8:4 KJV

Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus. And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.
Acts 11:19-21 KJV
We are all "dull axes" one way or another – but the Lord has infinite skill to wield us in just the way He pleases to do (Eccl.10:10).  We need to do our best to be ready for Him when the trouble really begins.  The Tribulation will be an "opportunity" of sorts for us to serve Jesus Christ in unique and unforeseen ways – even if that doesn't go down well in the thinking of many Laodicean types.

In Jesus Christ our dear Lord and Savior,

Bob L.
Question #11:
Hi Doctor, 

He’s looking and sounding more and more “AC” ish everyday. Just listened to the Rogan podcast with Ben on and he’s basically almost inline with everything the Word describes about AC, save for a few more nefarious tendencies yet to be revealed, but he’s socially liberal which is what would get him mass approval, and the Christian Right is already on his side, so shaping up to be a great deception if he keeps up with the “morals ok, Jesus not needed” stuff. He’s also turning many left leaning folks to his thinking..

It’s a bit early, but so far he stands WAY out front in my opinion.

What do you think brother?

Still diligent,
Response #11:
Well if he is, I suddenly would feel a lot less concerned. I was expecting the beast to be exceptional.

Seriously, it's probably going to be impossible to make an identification of antichrist before the fact. Things will change so rapidly once the Tribulation begins, what with the removal of Holy Spirit restraint (2Thes.2:6-7) and the devil expending all of his carefully husbanded resources on this last gamble, the difference between the day before and the day after will be as night and day.

One thing to keep in mind is that the beast will be a religious figure. He will claim to be the Messiah – which is why he is called anti-Christ – and that will be the main reason why the church-visible will flock to him. But as I have opined before based on what I can glean from scripture about all this, antichrist will in many ways be "all things to all people" – being really only anathema to genuine believers. So I think the "left vs. right" paradigm is likely not to play out, as both sides come to embrace this "unifying figure".

Hope you are doing some better, my friend. I'm keeping you and your family in my prayers every day.

In Jesus Christ our dear Lord and Savior,

Bob L.
Question #12:
I get everything you’re saying certainly. For me, I started wondering more and more after listening to the joe rogan podcast he did last week. 

Lately he’s becoming more overtly “live and let live” in a way that is nearly universally accepted now (save for his political rivals, of course) and he really has become hugely successful in bringing his politics and religion to more mainstream acceptance. Judaism today is NOTHING like biblical practice as prescribed as you’ve taught me; what’s out there under the surface is not too kind to gentiles. The Talmud is followed and beloved by folks like Ben, and Christians are the lowest of low when you really dig in. 

I guess all the potential duplicity he could convey would make sense if in fact he truly believes those writings. He follows mamoidenes(sp?) who apparently is one of the least outwardly evil in his opinions, but they’re still the same “generation” The Lord spoke about.

With the way the political left is jumping the shark lately, it seems satan is helping them destroy themselves so a new, far more liberal “conservative” party can form more appealing to the center. It makes sense seeing as the hard right and left are already in satan’s hands and he’s after the most reasonable and largest element of remaining believers. He already talked them into trump anyway..

Again, these are all estimations of sorts, and I know things will change rapidly once the tribulation in gear, but groundwork has to start somewhere and it seems with the political nonsense, it’s clearly happening now. 

Shapiro seems reasonable and moderate, but he is a liar when it comes to Israel and it’s current and semi recent illicit and evil behavior and intentionally maligns a lot of fairly innocent people over Israel’s honor, mostly out of what seems to be pride. He is a super Zionist for certain, and Christians generally already love him, and if he is the bad guy, he already has them convinced he’s “cool with them”. A person with that image in my mind is a sort of religious as well as political figure out the gate.

Personally, I enjoy his destruction of socialist/communist arguments. And it’s very hard not to agree with him politically, but his increasingly “ok for thee, not for me” attitude that, to me, really show his colors. Plus, maybe it’s just me, but he is quite arrogant in a subdued sort of way and that almost always throws me off however smart they are.

Here’s praying I’m wrong! 
Response #12:
I think it very unlikely that the beast is NOT "alive and well on planet earth" at the moment. But while it is certainly possible that he is a known personality, it is at least equally possible (and in my view much more probable) that he is as yet largely or even entirely unknown. 

As I say, things will develop so quickly during the Tribulation that it is entirely possible that the beast will remain unknown until the "balloon goes up".

It's good to stay alert. But we also have to be careful not to become wedded to any one particular interpretation of present day events, given how much they will change once the end times start.

Keeping you and your family in my prayers, my friend – and good to see that you've joined the "group". I'm hoping that Steven will be able to get it up and running soon after he's finished this difficult semester.

In Jesus our dear Lord.

Bob L.
Question #13:
Well, I was giving an example of how I thought I had moved in a growth direction. In that one, (because I was wondering what you meant by the ones before us not growing), I was noting that in old age, they still had the emotions-dictating theology.

The thing is that rarely I come across something on your site that I am hesitant about. Mostly it makes sense and is very helpful.

I hope I didn't sound rude.

I have also heard of an old couple dying because they didn't turn their heater on in their home. Yeah, the wilderness is right outside the door waiting for a catastrophe. I used to romanticize the pastoral, but then I realized 'what am I thinking? I love my warm bed and bath and being inside!"
Response #13:
Thanks for the good words, my friend!

Yes, I've never particularly liked being cold or wet or hungry or annoyed or uncomfortable, and that tendency has only gotten more pronounced over the years. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to enjoy the Tribulation overly much.

But we know that the Lord will be watching out for us no matter what, all the way to the end.
Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
Psalm 97:10 NIV
In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #14:
We have a few questions. ___ is almost finished with The Coming Tribulation series (link). He has really enjoyed the book(s) and plans to read it again. The Audio sure came in handy. When he learned of the fallen Angels and that we are a replacement he was real excited. He felt we had a purpose. But after a few months now thoughts are lurking in how some people may feel that they wouldn't feel important knowing that they are just a replacement. They may feel worthless.

I know the devil is always trying to tell you your life isn't important. He has a way to make you feel insecure.

How would you explain that being a replacement is a wonderful thing?

Thanks for your time.
Response #14:
I am keeping the "__ thing" in my prayers. Some things just have a tendency to drag on and test us. I'm getting that with the whole storm aftermath here. The cable company DID put their lines back up today, finally. So God is good! It will all happen in due time – there as well as here.

On replacement, as I often console myself on days when the flak is heavy and I'm getting groggy, just "being there" in eternity will be wildly marvelous. Even the last believer called to be evaluated, the prize of grace who has almost no reward, the one who receives the last outer dwelling on the wall of Dan, even that least of all believer will have a perfect body, a place in New Jerusalem, and be part of us all and of Jesus Christ forever, living eternally in joy and bliss beyond present imaginations. So ever if we were "second best", I'll take that! But that is not the case.

The second thing to mention is that God's plan is perfect and has never changed from the moment He decreed it. He has always loved us and the purpose of creation always had us in mind as integral parts of that perfect plan. So perhaps replacement is not the best word. It expresses things from the standpoint of the series theme, namely, the Satanic rebellion and God's "response" to it. Of course, it only seems to us as if God is responding in the sense we usually have of that word. He knows the beginning from the end. And, more to the point, He has planned the beginning and the end and everything in between. So we are not causing reactions by what we do; rather we are finding out in real time what the plan is – and that perfect plan took into account all of our free will choices, and those of the angels as well. Good to remember once the Tribulation begins – none of the challenges we face are coming as a surprise to the Lord (the exodus generation failed miserably by forgetting that – or rather by not believing that: 1Cor.10:1ff.; Heb.3:1ff., 4:1ff.).

The third thing to note is that God's "replacement" is always better than the original. The world was created perfect; but the New Heavens, New Earth, and New Jerusalem will be better by far; Adam and Eve were created perfect, but their resurrection bodies and ours will be better by far. And, finally, Satan was the perfect guardian cherub. But who is his replacement? The Lord Jesus Christ – and there's no one and nothing better than Him.

The angels who rebelled are replaced by the Church, but the Church is better than they in every way. Being human is better than being an angel. How do we know that? Jesus Christ became a human being, not an angel – and there is nothing "second best' about Him. In resurrection, we will be superior to angels just as He is superior to angels (Heb.1:1-14; and see the link), even though at present we are far inferior in many ways (1Cor.6:3).

So we have nothing to feel down about since we, as the Body of Christ, are the elite of the elite. "Even angels desire to look into these things" (1Pet.1:12).

Yours in Jesus Christ our dear Lord and Savior,

Bob L.
Question #15:
Hello Dr.Luginbill,

Regarding Revelation 20:4: "They came to life", can you please enlighten me on what the meaning of this phrase is? 

Do they not already "Eternal Life" which is life in its fullest meaning spiritually speaking?

Thanks so much,

Your friend,
Response #15:
This is expressing things from the standpoint of the earthly perspective. From that perspective they were dead; their earthly bodies in the grave. But in resurrection we / our bodies "come to life", meaning, our spirits being transferred into our eternal homes. We have eternal life right now – but we still die physically. Eternal life in its fullest and final expression is the resurrection, when we become "like Him" (1Jn.3:2). Please see the link: "the resurrection of the Lamb's bride".

In Jesus our dear Savior,

Bob L.
Question #16:
Hello again Dr. Luginbill,

Resurrection and final state from the "Last things study".

Regarding this subject I need some clarification about the sequence of events which are to take place. Based on your comment: "

The final evaluation of the Church will concern believers from Adam and Eve to the Second Advent, all of whom were already resurrected to form part of Christ's Bride at His return.

So this evaluation takes place before we return with Christ at His second coming? So, when we die, or come thru the trib. we enter heaven and receive an intermediate body, so to speak. We are not evaluated until the gathering of Israel takes place at the end of the trib. 

The dead [unbelievers] are not judged until they are resurrected after the 1,000 years are complete. 

Question:

It appears that the evaluation of believers takes place in heaven. Are the unbelievers the only ones judged at the GWT? I was asked about this this morning in Bible study, but they did not appear to have questions about this and other items also. I just want to make sure that my understanding is correct, but if not, could you clarify the sequence and who goes when?

Thanks again Dr. Luginbill for your great help.

The peace of the Lord be with you always.

Your friend,
Response #16:
While scripture does not give as many details on this point as we would like, I have concluded based on what evidence there is that there is no evaluation before the resurrection (which means after the Tribulation); also, since we "rule with Christ" during the Millennium, it is hard to make an argument that we are not evaluated before that – because the particulars of our rule will be based on our reward for how we did in this life – so that our evaluation must happen then, namely, at the commencement of the Millennium. Since the Lord is on earth from that moment of His return onward, it seems clear that this evaluation will take place on earth, where He is and will be, namely, Jerusalem. See the link: "The Time and Place of the Judgment"

Good motivation to stay positive now, whatever disasters my befall – and to stay faithful all the way to the end, should it be our lot to experience the Tribulation in person.
And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”
Luke 18:6-7 NIV
In Jesus Christ our dear Lord and Savior,

Bob L.
Question #17:
Hi Bob and family,

After thinking about my question, whether to, or not send it, I eventually decided I would send it rather than die wondering – so to speak. It concerns the faithful when the Tribulation is full blown in the second half and knowing that many will suffer martyrdom through no fault of our own and because we don’t yet know how it will fully play out in those last 3.5 years, no doubt it will be filled with uncertainty.

We know that when the mark is introduced it will prevent us from buying and selling anything and of course, when you start to think of and realize all the things that will impact on our lives because of that very condition and for many, it becomes very frightening indeed. There are many things that are unable to be even considered yet.

And just to take two examples – that is, martyrdom at one end, which is murder and starvation at the other end and you and I could face either of those examples if we are still alive at that time. In my own case, if it be that I am alive and if martyrdom is my lot, I have already settled it in my heart to look beyond it – I hope that courage won’t desert me should that be the case as I know that I will see Jesus immediately following. I could also die before it begins or during – that is in His hands and to consider the other end, starvation is also a very real possibility and probability.

It is that very scenario that I’ve been thinking about and I have found a medical explanation of dying by starvation that I will write here for your consideration – and I’m not saying that this will or may be our lot, even if we are in reasonable health or in a terminally ill situation. I’m only saying it may be something not to fear if it should befall us.
STARVATION IS NOT PAINFUL, EXPERTS SAY: After suffering through cancer, a middle aged woman decided her illness was too much to bear. Everything she ate, she painfully brought back up. The prospect of surgery and a colostomy bag held no appeal. And so, against the advice of her doctors, she decided to stop eating and drinking. Over the next 40 days in 1993, Dr Robert Sullivan of Duke University Medical Centre observed her gradual decline, providing one of the most detailed clinical accounts of starvation and dehydration. Instead of feeling pain, the patient experienced the characteristic sense of euphoria that accompanies a complete lack of food or water. She was cogent for weeks, chatting with her carers in the nursing home and writing letters to family and friends. As her organs finally failed, she slipped into a coma and died. Medical experts say going without food and water in the last days and weeks of life is as natural as death itself. The body is equipped with its own resources to adjust to death, they say. In fact, eating and drinking during severe illness can be painful because of the demands it places on weakened organs. “What my patients have told me over the last 25 years is that when they stop eating and drinking, there’s nothing unpleasant about it – in fact it can be quite blissful and euphoric,” said Dr Gerry G. Fine, vice president of medical affairs at the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organisation in Arlington, Va. “It’s a very smooth, graceful and elegant way to go.” The lady, who hasn’t had any food or water since Friday, has been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years that makes it impossible for her brain to recognise pain, doctors said. “Her reflexes with respect to thirst or hunger are as broken as her ability to think thoughts or dream dreams or do anything a normal, healthy brain does,” Dr. Pine said. But even if her brain were functioning normally and she were aware of her condition, she would be comfortable, doctors say. “The word starve is so emotionally loaded,” Dr. Pine said. “People equate that with the hunger pains they feel or the thirst they feel after a long, hot day or hiking. To jump from that to a person who has an end stage illness is a gigantic leap.” Contrary to the visceral fears of humans, death by starvation is the norm in nature – and the body is prepared for it. “The cessation of eating and drinking is the dominant way that mammals die,” said Dr. Ira Byock, director of palliative medicine at Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Centre in New Hampshire. “It is a very gentle way that nature has provided for animals to leave this life.” In a 2003 study published in New England Journal of Medicine, 102 hospice nurses caring for terminally ill patients who refused food and drink described their patients final days as peaceful, with less pain and suffering than those who had elected to die through physician assisted suicide. The average rating given by the nurses for the patients quality on death was an 8 on a scale where 9 represented a ‘very good death’ and 0 was a ‘very bad death.’ Patients deprived of food and water will die of dehydration rather than starvation, unless they succumb to their underlying illness first. Without fluids, the body loses its ability to maintain the proper balance of potassium, sodium, calcium and other electrolytes in the bloodstream and inside cells. The kidneys react to the fluid shortage by conserving as many bodily liquids as possible. The brain, which relies on chemical signals to function properly, begins to deteriorate. So does the heart and other muscles, causing the patients to feel tired and lethargic. “Everything in the body is geared toward trying to maintain that normal balance,” Dr. Fine said. “The body will do everything to maintain this balance if it’s working well.” Meanwhile, the body begins mining its stores of fat and muscle to get the carbohydrates and proteins it needs to make energy. “If you mine too many proteins in the heart, it gets unstable,” Dr. Sullivan said. That can give rise to an irregular heartbeat, which can cause the patient to die of cardiac arrest. Or, if the muscles in the chest wall become weak, the patient can end up with pneumonia. “Patients already weakened by disease begin feeling the impact in a few days,” Dr Fine says. They eventually descend into a coma and finally death. The entire process usually takes one to two, perhaps three weeks, although a patient who is otherwise healthy could hold on much longer.
Of course, I’m not condoning suicide if anyone were to take it that way, I’m only saying that because possible starvation could be one of the results brought about by the mark and if facing starvation through no fault of our own it can hardly be called suicide.

On the other hand, I’m quite sure that God has a plan for each and every one of us and I know that whatever the circumstances are at that time, He will deliver us through it in His way and not from it, as there are many examples in the Bible. My prayer for all is that we just wait on Him and keep listening for the Spirit’s leading no matter what because the other side is beyond comparison. 

Again and as always dear Bob, with brotherly love,
Response #17:
The Tribulation can be a scary thing to consider (link). That is not all bad if it results in redoubling efforts of spiritual growth – the only true preparation we can count on. But we also know as you are clear about that the Lord has this all planned out for good. Whatever we have to endure, He will help us through it. That is true if our lot is martyrdom or if we are meant to endure until the end. It won't be easy, but God is always good about blessing us even in the midst of cursing, just as He did during the plagues on Egypt for the children of Israel (even though they didn't appreciate it). 

So as long as we don't have unrealistic expectations (cf. Jer.45:1ff.), we can be confident that the Lord will deliver us just as He did the children of Israel from Egypt and Pharaoh – especially since the exodus is a deliberate pattern and model of the Tribulation. The main difference is the one you are considering, namely, that our individual deliverance may come in the form of martyrdom. The advantages of that are guaranteed reward for all who bear up under it and not having to endure the entire Great Tribulation. In terms of starvation, I don't remember anything in scripture about believers who are following the Lord ever having to suffer that particular fate. Not that the Lord couldn't help us through that as well. But I would be very surprised to learn that believers who were genuinely faithful to Him were going to suffer that particular end.
If anyone [is marked] for captivity, he is going into captivity. If anyone [is marked] for death by the sword, by the sword [he must] be killed. Therefore endurance and faith [on the part] of [my] sanctified ones is [called for].
Revelation 13:10
Nothing about starvation there. Of course that doesn't mean we won't be strapped. But expect the Lord to provide what we need . . . IF we are meant personally to endure until the end.

Your friend in Jesus Christ,

Bob L.
Question #18:
Hi Bob and family,

Thank you for the wisdom in your response to the question and I understand your reasoning that every situation is already known by the Lord and that He is certainly capable of bringing us through whatever, however and whenever. I understand now, that starvation isn’t mentioned – perhaps it’s my imagination running wild and not knowing every situation that may impact on us but as you have pointed out, the main thing will be not to lose sight of the goal and just keep on keeping on. So I have now put that one to bed.

I have learnt so much from you during the course of our correspondences and I cannot thank you enough – I’m just so glad that I can come to you for the help that is so edifying, so much to learn and so little time. I wish I knew what I now know when I was so much younger. And so many perishing when it doesn’t have to be that way.

I was thinking further from your email and I looked through my own article on the Chronological Events In The Tribulation and I found the confirmation of what you’ve said in my own writing.

It is from Isaiah 49: 10, which says: They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for He that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall He guide them.

That says it all doesn’t it – I was worried over nothing!

With brotherly love,
Response #18:
Thanks!

Here's another one:
The LORD knows the days of the upright,
And their inheritance shall be forever.
They shall not be ashamed in the evil time,
And in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
Psalm 37:18-19 NKJV
And from the same psalm:
I have been young, and now am old;
Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken,
Nor his descendants begging bread.
Psalm 37:25 NKJV
The Lord will bring us through, so that we may say as it has been prophesied:
And they will say on that day, "Behold! This is our God! We waited in hope for Him to deliver us. This is our Lord. We waited in hope for Him. Let us rejoice and be glad in His deliverance!"
Isaiah 25:9
In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #19:
Dear Professor 

Thank you fro your enlightening reply.

I did feel that some of the participants in the program may have been diligently searching for the truth, while others may have been there to justify their current behaviour. The irony of the situation of the young mormon continues to astound me. She said she wore the temple garment underneath her normal clothing (as I used to do), which means she has pledged everything, even her own life, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It is plainly taught , or at least when I last went through the mormon temple, that it is the ONLY true church on the face of the earth. It is reinforced at every opportunity including every month in fast and Testimony meeting.

The irony. A woman Anglican priest ( which is not biblical, even to Hannah’s own mormon theology), affirming that Hannah and Mormonism are legitimate expressions of Christianity. The non biblical affirming the non biblical as being biblical!

Remarkably another Anglican woman on the show disagreed with female priests (Queensland accepts them, NSW does not) and __ (another show participant) was sexually abused from 10-15 years of age by an Anglican male priest, the church then had the abuser officiate at __’s mums funeral (died in her 40s).

A false religion affirming another false religion! (Though the affirmed religion disbelieves in the affirming religion).

Sounds like something from hell.

I am thankful for Ichthys were I can find the truth taught from the Bible.

The JWs just turned up at the front door, gave me a pamphlet to invite me to their church this Sunday, topic : Reach out for the Real Life! Followed on April 19 for the annual commemoration of the death of Jesus Christ. “Keep doing this in remembrance of me”. Luke 22:19 (all from their pamphlet).

Of the two men, one I recognise, is a member of an influential business family in town. I mentioned that Jesus is God and that is why he could atone for our sins. They moved it on and said we got to see everything in context of the whole Bible. At my mentioning that this earth would literally be consumed by fire; they said it is speaking only symbolically, and that this earth would remain forever; only the governments would perish. They embrace the symbolism - but not the reality!

I am wondering about how things actually play out in regards to many things during the Tribulation. One is in Mark 13:14 “........the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be.........”.

Where ought he be standing? (Any significance to “he”) Where has he/it been standing up until then? How do you hide such a big statue? And project? Is it being built as Moses and Elijah are directing the 144,000 worldwide? Or are we not given to know any of this before its actual appearance? Is the “he” the antichrist, apart from the statue?

You may have some of this in your writings. If you have a link would be fine. I got a bit lazy here, though I will definitely look more closely as I read through again.

I realise it is your super busy time coming into the weekend and I am content to wait and look at your writings myself in the meantime.

I hope you have a pleasant weekend. You are always in my prayers. Thank you so much for your wonderful Ministry.

In Jesus our dear Lord and Savior.

Your student 
Response #19:
Thanks for the update as always.

"The non biblical affirming the non biblical as being biblical!" – while the other non biblical doesn't accept the non biblical as legitimate in spite of being accepted by it in turn. Not sure whether this is "like unto hell" but it is certainly headed in the direction thereof with all speed.

Best link on the abomination of desolation (in CT 3B).

Not sure what English version you are using but "where HE should not" is an interpretation (a wrong one). Most version say "it". In Greek, the 3/s is a common m/f/n form so all would be theoretically possible, but the abomination is a statue, the "image" of the beast in Revelation chapter 13 erected by his false prophet – so it is definitely an "it". "It" will stand in the temple court and not doubt be quite visible. It will only be set up at the Tribulation's mid-point. That is when the command to flee goes into effect for Jewish believers in Israel (their flight is described in the previous chapter, Revelation 12).

Thanks for all your good and encouraging words, my friend! They are greatly appreciated.

In Jesus our dear Lord,

Bob L.
Question #20:
Dear Professor

Thank you for your reply. I was reading from Mark 13:14 ESV. I had previously taken it to be an IT, and a statue.

Just was wondering whether it is being built while Moses and Elijah are still on earth. I do realise it will be set up at the mid point of the Tribulation and those believers in Judea flee. Surely it will take time to build and there would likely be evidence of construction BEFORE the setting up? (Giving ample time to flee).

I have re-read the link you gave. Thank you for this. Returning victorious armies of antichrist, as you say, would be another giveaway sign.

However, it seems that from the above scripture, Jesus is saying that a sudden and immediate departure is required, suggesting that believers are not aware of IT beforehand.

Thank you also for your additional remarks on the “non biblical”.

Your Ministry is the bedrock teaching we need, though most do not see their need for solid understanding of the scriptures. Just as many do not see Christ as the Rock.  If they listened to Peter (1Peter 1:20) they would see Christ was before the foundation of the world.

In Christ Jesus our foundation.

Your student
Response #20:
Moses and Elijah are gone before the image is erected (see the link).

Yes, there will be many signs, but the opportunity to flee will not be a large window between the beast's dispatching of the two witnesses and the commencement of antichrist's evil Jerusalem rule. His armies will be in the south, but he will no doubt have plenty of administrative and policing units in Jerusalem and Israel since it his base of supply for the campaign.
Fleeing Babylon later is a different issue.  We believers need to remember not to be so attached to our homes, possessions and earthly lives that we fail to heed this call when it comes (near the end of the Tribulation; see the link).  We need to remember Lot's wife (Lk.17:32), and not hesitate or look back when the time comes for us to depart.  Our true treasures are in heaven, especially if we have done what the Lord wants us to do in this very temporary world.

Thanks for your good words as always, my friend!

Keeping you and yours in prayer.

In Jesus our dear Lord,

Bob L.
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