Question #1:
Hello Robert,
Happy New Year. I hope you are well and things are going well for you.
It has been a few months since I last wrote (or responded to you). In the first
week of August of last year I was diagnosed with Bone Marrow Cancer. I spent
several weeks in the hospital - which I hated - but was glad for the care. I
have received chemo and numerous blood and platelet transfusions. Add this to
the nerve damaged lower body and I think it is safe to say I am a wreck.
Nevertheless, I study scripture and your teachings daily. I also believe these
physical problems can be used by the Lord to His Glory, so I am at peace. I
would appreciate prayers to heal these ailments.
I have continued in the church I had been attending...but I am becoming more and
more disappointed with events there. The pastor's message on Sunday is more of a
motivational talk, an expository talk, which he uses the same examples ad
nauseum. The actual teaching of the text in an exegetical teaching is rare.
There is more but I don't want to sound like a whiner. I am rapidly approaching
the point where I forego the traditional church.
I thank God for your website and efforts in teaching God's Word. Well, just
catching up.
Response #1:
Sorry to hear about your illness, my friend. I've put a prayer request
up for you at Ichthys and will add this to my list too.
As to the church situation, it's a very familiar story . . . and a big
part of the reason why Ichthys is on the internet. If your pastor was
willing and able to teach the truth in depth and also so inclined, he'd
probably find himself out of a job PDQ.
Your welcome to everything at Ichthys!
Here are a few pertinent links:
Fighting the Fight III: False Teaching, Local Churches, and the Truth
Finding a Church – or Something Better?
Can you recommend a church?
Mega-Churches, Emergent Christianity, Spirituality and Materialism.
Christian Unity and Divisiveness.
Dysfunctional Churches.
Church: The Biblical Ideal versus the Contemporary Reality.
Red Hot or Lukewarm?
The Meaning and Purpose of True Christian Assembly
Spiritual Growth, Church-Searching and "Discipling"
Ichthys and Contemporary Christianity
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #2:
I haven't emailed you in a while and just wanted to see how you are
doing. I don't email often because I assume that you spend a good chunk
of your time responding to your students' emails, and usually when I
have a question I will pray about it and then I find the answer, either
in the Bible or through something I read on your site, usually an email
question or response. I know from experience that reading your weekly
email posts is more spiritually beneficial than a weekly trip to a local
church, assuming we are talking about the 99% of local churches, and not
the 1% that are serious about growth, wherever they may be, and may they
be blessed. Thank you for your hard work and I pray often that you
continue to get fulfillment and satisfaction from your work as a teacher
of The Word.
I struggle often with my anger toward the local churches and their
failures, particularly the ones that teach the proper gospel and appear
to have true believers in Christ in attendance. I wish that they would
repent and look to The Lord for guidance instead of seeing the worldly
systems that are in place to hamper their spiritual growth. On the other
hand, I totally understand the desire of Christians to go to church, to
gather together and surround themselves with other believers. It bothers
me that I feel hostility toward some of my brothers in Christ when I
hear about some of the particulars of spiritual immaturity, and the fact
that they do not respect any instruction or fellowship with someone who
does not belong to these watered down organizations. The words of John
in 1st John sometimes convict me, but I do not feel the slightest bit of
hostility toward you or anyone associated with your ministry, or any who
are serious about learning The Truth through faith and helping others to
do the same. I hear about "worship services" where they beat the drums
and strum the guitar, and I would imagine they raise their hands in the
air and sway back and forth as I have seen at some churches. I worship a
risen Christ and when I get emotional about The Truth I never feel a
need to raise my hands and sing some repetitive phrase. The urge is not
to stand and sway but to fall on my knees metaphorically and give
thanks. I hear about mens' retreats, womens' retreats, mission trips
etc. Those that participate in these events are seen as great men and
women of God, but do they help their neighbors in need? (do I, for that
matter.)
I feel so alone in my convictions. I do not look for churches any more.
I know I am at the right place here at Ichthys, and I vividly remember
the process of finding my way here. It was an ugly time of wrestling for
me spiritually, but I was persistent that I needed some Truth in my life
and was determined to find why the Bible did not match up with what I
was being taught. I just cannot go to these local churches and feel so
uncomfortable for a couple of hours. That's a shame isn't it? That one
who is serious about the truth (albeit a very flawed individual who
needs to continue to grow) can feel so uncomfortable, awkward, and out
of place surrounded by so many that profess faith in Christ. It bothers
me that I feel this way and still struggle with thinking maybe I need an
attitude adjustment. Maybe I don't. I also find the demeanor of so many
men at local churches to be effeminate. I think of some of the "greats"
in the Bible and just don't see a guy that grabbed a lion by the mane
and struck it dead as being effeminate, and you can bet I see him and
others in the Bible as examples to follow.
I ask for your prayers for some wisdom and understanding on these
matters. I ask for prayer with my work situation. I have fallen out of
favor with my boss, and I am concerned for my job. It might be best to
part ways; I'll just have faith in The Lord. I also ask for prayers with
my finances, as I have not been able to afford to render unto Caesar for
a few April's now. I have no idea what to do there.
I hope all is well with you Bob, and I will keep you in my prayers. May The Lord
bless all of your endeavors.
p.s. Feel free to post any of our communication as you see fit
Response #2:
Thanks for the update, my friend.
Re: "not the 1% that are serious about growth, wherever they may be,
and may they be blessed", Indeed, and if you know of any that are
actually in that 1%, please let me know so I can pass that on. I fear 1%
may be a massive over-estimate at this point. There are places that have
good doctrinal statements and talk a good game, but once the surface is
scratched they tend to be in the same boat as all the rest, not really
committed to spiritual growth through the truth but instead engaging in
"physical growth" of their organization as the top priority.
Re: "the fact that they do not respect any instruction or fellowship
with someone who does not belong to these watered down organizations":
We can be forgiven for some in-control "righteous indignation" about the
preference for pablum over substance and certainly about judgmental
attitudes directed at those of us who are doing things the right way,
but there isn't any point in getting angry. People make their own
choices. And, of course, since they are preferring things they prefer
instead of what the Spirit is telling them they really need, they're
going to be defensive on the one hand and self-justifying on the other
(not to mention hostile to anyone who points out their shortcomings . .
. by doing things differently). I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of
any Christian who is operating on the Laodicean plan. I would feel sorry
for them, but I understand that they are the ones responsible for these
poor choices, and that the Lord has given them many indications of what
is right and what is wrong – to the extent that they are willing to
accept any guidance whatsoever. All we can do is keep preferring the
truth and keep giving the good witness of the truth whenever we have the
opportunity. Paul poured his heart out to the Jerusalem believers in the
book of Hebrews, but it wasn't too many years later that the entire city
was destroyed, so I wouldn't want to bet on any particularly great
reception based on the response to that epistle – which we, like those
who may have responded, are certainly blessed to have. So nothing we do
that is right and godly is ever a waste or a mistake.
Re: ". . . but do they help their neighbors in need?" Preferring
"experiences" in "church" is where Laodicea is, and you are absolutely
correct that whatever the "flavor" of experience preferred, Charismatic,
musical, traditional, ritualistic, pseudo-fellowship, none of it is
accomplishing what the Lord wants. Many groups have substituted works
for growth. Doing what the Lord wants is always good and godly. But we
have to do so with the correct attitude as well. "Good works" from
unbelievers mean nothing. "Good works" from believers who are doing them
out of guilt or competition or self-righteousness or any other false
motive are also offensive to God – as if they were somehow "helping
Him"! None of us is perfect. There is a fine line between being overly
judgmental about one's own shortcomings on the one hand and not seeing
oneself with sufficient objectivity on the other. Best not to dwell on
this sort of thing but rather to resolve what the Spirit leads us to do
when He leads us to do it, not to get out in front or lag behind.
Re: "That's a shame isn't it? That one who is serious about the truth
(albeit a very flawed individual who needs to continue to grow) can feel
so uncomfortable, awkward, and out of place surrounded by so many that
profess faith in Christ." Personally, as I've often said, hearing
what passes for teaching in any of these places tends to make me sick to
my stomach. Also, acting "humble" or as you put it, "effeminate", is
just that – an act. It's what is INSIDE that counts, not the particular
whitewash that a person puts on to appear one way so as to be considered
"godly" by the particular church/organization to which they have
attached themselves. That is what the Pharisees did, after all
(Matt.23:1-31).
I have been praying for you daily. I'm sorry to hear that you are still
under this financial pressure with job troubles as well. I'll keep that
on my list, and let me know if you would like me to post a request for
you at Ichthys.
A couple of pertinent links:
In Jesus our dear Savior,
Bob L.
p.s., thanks for the permission!
Question #3:
Dear Bob
I hope you’re keeping well? And may I ask you a different sort of
question, and I’m glad not to be bothering you with the perennial one!
We are getting a new Pastor in September and the man chosen to fill the
place has some ideas I’m not sure about. Well I am sure I’m not happy
about him, but perhaps I’m wrong and I’d like you to tell me if I am,
please.
A team has interviewed candidates and prayed about each, we’ve all
prayed, and we gave our feedback on how he and his wife preached to us
(she translated). I then did my own due diligence and found he’s
associated with a group who have members calling themselves apostles.
They decree and declare and release blessing, and whatnot, choosing Joel
2:23-, to release financial blessing and restoration, and special
miracles to bring plenty, double blessings. I got a bit weary at that
point. Until I heard her say that you can seal these blessings with an
offering. Sow a seed. There you go. That sounds like Benni Hinn, and I’m
thinking about Bethel church and the NAR, seven hills mandate and
kingdom theology, but I made a leap there. And name it and claim it and
prosperity gospel, all together. These people are the Sisters of the
Son, (experienceimagine.com) and they hosted ‘Apostle’ ____ on their
video. He is a partner listed on their website. And he’s our new pastor.
Hopefully he’s not quite like them.
Then I found a video of one of his short sermons on YouTube and he talks
about manifesting heaven on earth by bearing fruit. I think of suitable
fruit being Christlike qualities, sanctification and what we read in
Galatians 5, but the fruits he seems to be advocating are miracles,
healing and deliverance. Power. And if we don’t show those we are not
bearing fruit and risk being pruned. I also thought Jesus went to
prepare a place for us, not that we have the task of sorting the world
out for him to come and rule, although ___ didn’t actually say that, but
I know others do. We will enjoy a new heaven and earth, not this one.
And yet the Lord’s Prayer has elements they can use to good effect.
I am nervous of words like “manifest” because it smacks of New Age
thinking, or at the very least prosperity, name it and claim it type of
thing. I also get a sense here and there of chasing after the power of
the Holy Spirit as a strong aim, and yet his whole purpose is to glorify
Jesus. Thankfully I’m also hearing Jesus died to save us, but I feel
uncomfortable.
Am I being hypercritical?
I’d really appreciate your opinion. I’m disappointed at the choice
because he’s quite loud and emotional on stage and likes to preach
against a background of music. It’s not what I’m used to but that’s no
reason not to welcome him, in and of itself. I must be getting old, not
liking change!
Change I can do, but are these ideas sound? I didn’t think so.
I hope it’s ok to ask about this, please.
Thank you.
God bless and keep you
Response #3:
Good grief! If I had to make a check list of all the things a believer
should be on the look out for before getting involved in anything,
I think your email probably ticked most of the boxes – even some things
I might have forgotten about.
It's your business, but I can't see anything good coming out of this.
"I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false."
Revelation 2:2 NIV
As I have no doubt mentioned before, the Christian life is all about building up our faith through spiritual growth, passing testing to make progress in becoming "veterans" in this fight, then coming into the ministries the Lord has for us. That is what the Lord wants from us all, and that is available for us all, but here in this era of Laodicea, most Christians are more interested in "fellowship", "community", and some version of ritual or tradition or excitement or ecstatics or entertainment . . . or a blend of these extraneous things which do NOT promote true spiritual growth.
And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Hebrews 10:24-25 NIV
This passage is often adduced to suggest that someone who is not a part of a
"local church" is somehow falling down on the job as a Christian, that "even a
flawed church is better than no church". But it is good to consider that the
people to whom this passage was addressed WERE "involved in a church", a very
bad one at that moment, one composed of unbelievers who were doing things the
Lord was not pleased with, the "church of churches", the temple in Jerusalem.
Paul tells them that it would be better to get together with actual Christians
who are actually aware of the times and who are intent on growing in love and
helping others grow spiritually. That was not happening in the temple – since
the rituals had been fulfilled by Christ's sacrifice. That is not happening in
most church-visible churches today. And in the analogy – and in many
contemporary churches too – it is a case of "your meetings do more harm than
good" (1Cor.11:17).
The fact that some true things are being said does not, in my view, change the
fact that "a little leaven leavens the whole lump" (1Cor.5:6; Gal.5:9). And from
your report, it sounds like a lot more leaven than lump.
In addition to the material at Ichthys – more than sufficient to grow to
maturity and to keep up spiritual momentum – I also recommend Bible Academy (at
the link).
How is your health? I have been praying for you.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #4:
Dear Bob
Thank you so much for your reply, and for your prayers. Health, well, in
my ___th year things do go a bit sideways! [omitted] But my lot has
fallen in pleasant places, for which I thank God for his goodness. I
hope you are faring well in work and health? I thank God for you.
I considered and decided to keep my peace for a while and see what the
new man brings, and to keep myself in reserve so as not to create a
disturbance before I know more. Our study group leader, whom I respect,
called after me as I departed and we had a good long chat about it.
Because I shared my concerns. He was keen to point out some preachers
can rightly be judged by the company they keep, assuming they agree, or
there may not be much cross pollination. So we can wait to see which
camp our guy falls into as he settles in.
Because of my feedback, they did ask him about these things, and he was
puzzled, didn’t know what the NAR is (well they don’t tend to call
themselves that). I’ve since learned that the NAR come out of some white
supremacist thinking, so it’s not likely we’d see a __ leaning that way,
but I shall still watch out for word of faith and prosperity teaching
etc. And for a pursuit of Holy Spirit wonders rather than Jesus himself
in the Word.
Other than my friend and his wife, I find my bunch are being led further
into charismatic evangelicalism, yet we do need a good kick up the
backside! I think the consensus to chose ___ was emotional, especially
given his call up to form a prayer line at the end. Not choosing anyone
was an option, but we’ve been looking for over 18 months. And the other
candidate would have been even more extreme; __ hinted I’d have left.
This is a quite impoverished area and study pure and simple doesn’t
happen much. Our Bible group follows a reading plan and we discuss
points of interest each week. ___ has it all mapped out if no one says
anything, and draws out important points. I try not to be the eager
beaver! ‘No ___, let someone else have a turn!’ And it has encouraged
people to read their bibles. And these people are now my family,
although I have little in common with them other than our faith. I find
I do love them and don’t want them led astray, even though they are
enthusiastic to listen to some weird ideas. I've already battled against
contemplative prayer and lectio divina etc, without denting them much.
My only hope is that mostly the average Joe and Jane haven’t actually
done much about it either way to use those tools!
I hope for continuing fellowship with ___ and ___, and that my ___ will
also have some common ground with them as they are fairly intellectual
and that appeals to him.
I did find another Christian in my village, (which is 20mins away from
my church) but I think she has a smattering of new age thinking in her
outlook. She’s also quite keen on spiritual ‘experience’. So I don’t
think I’d go to her church. Still, we’ve had some talks and she’s keen
to have me visit.
I’ll keep praying, of course I will, and try to be Berean about any
teaching, but also to discern what’s just a cultural difference I’m
objecting to, and what is pushing the doctrinal boundaries. Just when
I’m tired and wanted to take things a bit easier! No such stage of
Christian life, it seems! Just as you say.
What I miss is likeminded fellowship, To go to church and enjoy
worshipping together in a manner that doesn’t jar. To be of one accord,
not constantly wondering whether there are bones in a particular
mouthful. I will keep on and try to warn, for now, and not mind when
they say I’ve just been triggered, reminded of my new age experiences in
times repented, as if it’s a psychological deficit or PTSD! They thought
they were being considerate! I thought they just weren’t listening, and
in regards of new age stuff, I have more experience than they, to spot
the dangers.
And to be realistic, any church with me in it isn’t perfect.
Thank you for your guidance, confirmation, prayers, Ichthys, and that I
knew I could get good straight sense from a trustworthy source if I
asked you. That is marvellous. Thank you!
In Jesus
Response #4:
You have had a ride! I know what you mean about over-rest. I made the
very bad mistake of babying my shoulder a few years back because I'd
injured it. After a couple of months I found I couldn't raise my right
arm high enough to write on the blackboard! It took about of month of
really grueling physical therapy to break it free. VERY painful (more
painful than having my ankle crushed by a tank when I was younger). So
now I try to balance babying and ignoring injuries. Getting the balance
right can be tricky, especially at our age!
I'm certainly not counseling you to make waves at your church. My
feeling about that is that if a Christian decides for any reason that a
local church they are attending is not good or for whatever reason no
longer right for them, they should move on quietly without kicking up a
fuss. Given that many people develop very strong emotional attachments –
to the people past and present, to the tradition, to the building – I do
understand why that doesn't always happen. But on the other hand I've
never seen nor even heard of a "change for the better" that ever came
"from the inside".
We are supposed to love our brothers and sisters in Christ. But that
doesn't mean letting ourselves be dragged down spiritually by accepting
poor substitutes for the truth just because they are doing so. These are
never easy situations.
Re: "any church with me in it isn’t perfect", LOL!, that is
certainly true of us all. The real question is, what does the Lord want
us to do? And the Spirit is perfectly capable of directing us aright . .
. if we are willing to listen and respond.
Thanks for all the good words and insight, my friend. I'm continuing to
keep you in my prayers.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #5:
There's this idea a lot of Christians have that being overly jovial is a
bad thing, particularly when it's an attitude that permeates things
needlessly or constantly.
And for context I don't mean the God-given joy that comes with the
Spirit, I mean basically a party life personality or other needless
revelry/making being "happy" all the time about anything positive a
mindset you're steeped in. I agree but what's your take on this?
Response #5:
As long as it's not artificial, I have no problem with people expressing
their personalities in a natural way. We are all different. But of
course if it IS an act which the cult-church pushes on its members in
order to "be attractive" to potential victims, then of course that is
wrong. There is the other side of the coin too, namely, groups which
want their members to always appear sullen and somber. Any such changes
we make to how we naturally "are" are only godly if they come through
the Spirit "from the inside out" through the process of genuine
spiritual growth. Adopting any false persona for non-biblical reasons is
something to avoid – and we are wise to avoid groups which foster this
and individuals who are acting it out.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #6:
Wow Bob!
This is insane!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XEuMYO6JWxg
Things are heating up for us Bob,
Louisiana has mandated the Ten Commandments to be displayed in all of
its schools. The backlash on social media was swift and ugly. I have to
say that I did cry last night to see the kind of things they were saying
about us Christians (mostly lies of course) but our loving Saviour did
warn us ahead of time so as not to be offended.
I am just keeping my head down and focusing on getting my ministry up
and going forward in the next few weeks and getting on with everything I
have going on here. I do wonder if I will be able to do my art work as
so many artists seem to be very anti-Christian now. It might be that my
only customers will be Christians. I know that God is with us though so
who can be against us? (Romans 8:31)
Someone did say something that made me think. Some Pastor (think he
might be an ultra-conservative dominionist type) said 'Everyone is
talking about the Ten Commandments now'. So it's interesting as God is
giving a great many people pause to think about this. It is a great
opportunity and also will show God who has completely hardened their
hearts against Him. I know there is the constitution and separation of
church and state but the kind of hard heartedness people have towards
the Commandments has really shocked me. People are talking about them as
though they are the epitome of evil itself! God forbid! Again though our
Lord warned us these days would come. (Matt 10:25)
I think your calculation for the Tribulation is looking to be spot on.
We couldn't take more than a decade of this downward spiral. Everything
is already on a knife edge.
The Lord has shown me something this morning [omitted]. The Lord has
shown me this morning that they do not have a home but a temple. They
believe (without fully understanding) that their house is a 'holy'
temple to mammon. It reminds me of when people take their shoes off when
they enter peoples' houses as though they were entering a holy place. I
know that the usual reason is that shoes can be dirty but I realise that
as people remove their shoes to enter a temple then there must be a
parallel. I will make a note of this for my ministry.
The Lord has pinpointed exactly what this is all about. We can't relax
there because it isn't a home but a 'holy temple to mammon' and because
the worship of mammon is demonic and not holy, it makes perfect sense
that looking after aged and sick parents is not as important as
maintaining the pristine appearance of this temple. Satan can only 'do'
surfaces and shallow counterfeits of the truth. He can make a person
feel as though they are righteous because they wear designer labels and
have an expensive car and a temple for a home. He can make a person feel
they are divine this way.
We know though that what it is about miraculous and spiritual inner
change, about becoming holy on the inside (1 Pet 1:16) not to be
'whitewashed tombs'. Satan can only influence a person to believe he/she
only needs to look the part to be special, that they can 'become as God'
just by surrounding themselves with luxurious goods. Luxury goods will
be the trappings of Babylon after all.
Hope you are doing okay there in Louisville.
Keeping you in prayer.
In Jesus,
Response #6:
Wow indeed! The only other such temple I ever bumped into in this
country before was in Lakeland, FL, where my mom used to live. It wasn't
much more than a store front. But the massive place in that video! Sign
of the times indeed.
Also interesting in respect of the comparison you made to people
treating their homes like temples. Seems everyone has time and effort
and funds available for just about everything in this life . . . except
for what the Lord wants.
We see both in the church visible too. Buildings and building worship
constitute a huge part of the focus of Christian groups today. If there
isn't a wonderful building, your church doesn't actually exist . . . or
it isn't a "real church". In that regard, I couldn't be more pleased
that Ichthys isn't "a real church" – also distinguishable by the fact
that there is substantive, orthodox Bible teaching at Ichthys (something
most "real churches" absolutely lack).
See in
BB 6B: Etymology and Meaning of the word Church
I did put up an addition on the Ichthys list about your mom, and I've
said a prayer for her.
You have a lot on your plate. Take care of yourself for the sake of your
health, my friend.
Keeping you and yours in my prayers.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #7:
Hi Mr. Luginbill,
Apologies again for the delay, I was out of town again helping with my
cousin's wedding. I hope you had a good Monday!
Thank you for John 14:27. Although I have read and heard this verse so
many times, I don't think I ever actually thought that it could apply to
my life. Would it be correct to say that if we are unsettled or afraid,
we either need to correct something that the Holy Spirit is convicting
us of or it's an attack from the enemy? And the Holy Spirit won't leave
us in doubt if we are truly seeking God? I was thinking yesterday and
was reminded that all the fiery arrows of the enemy can be extinguished
by faith in Jesus!
I want to thank you again for your Bible studies. Several things
happened this past week, talking with people about God and
denominations/religion and I was grateful that I knew the truth. I am so
thankful to have you as my Bible teacher!! Your work has helped me
understand God so much more than I thought was possible, honestly.
Sometimes my boss and I talk about God together. This week she told me
she is afraid that God is mad at her or going to punish her since she is
not going to church. She was going but stopped since there is some
division going on. She is still a young Christian and I just want to
tell her all the things I have learned. I remember having some of the
same questions and I just want to help her understand God, she still
needs the very basics and I don't think she will get that even if she
goes to a church. I don't think she will read Ichthys either - she has 3
children, including a baby, and I'm not sure she would devote the time
to getting through the material with her crazy life.
I had such a good foundation of the Bible to start with, that when I
started to read seriously into your ministry, it was amazing! I
understood so much more! And I know that it's the Holy Spirit that does
the work in converting truth into our hearts, so I am not trying to
underestimate His power, but I don't think she knows the Bible very well
yet.
Sometimes, like after I talk to my boss, I just want to come home and
write out what I want to tell her, like how God won't punish her for not
going to some church building, that He actually just wants her to grow
in her faith. That while He does discipline us, it's in love, not
vindictively (like you told me) and that it's only for actual sin, not
for not attending a traditional church service. And then she asked me if
it was ok to get her "church" from the Internet since she wasn't going
to church and gave me the name of a pastor she was listening to online.
And I'm thinking, "that's ok, if you find one that's actually teaching
the Bible accurately!"
I'm finding myself starting to get irritated and judgemental of some of
the churches I have gone to (I visited another one yesterday, with my
family and some friends, since we were out of town) since they either
get the truth wrong or it's not very helpful cause it's just a couple
verses and they don't actually tell you how to accomplish anything in
your walk with God. But God is convicting me on that poor attitude,
cause I know some of them are truly believers in Jesus.
I do think that God has used the truth I've learned to help prepare me
for some of our talks. I usually find myself wanting to say so much but
not sure how to say it. I've actually started to write a couple times
and then I get in and I think, "well you can't mention this without
talking on this". And suddenly I had much more appreciation for how hard
you work on your studies. I wonder if my ministry might be helping other
ladies learn some of the simple truths. I know that as a woman I am not
a Bible teacher or have authority over a local church (more than happy
to give that task to the qualified men!), but I am allowed to share
truth with other women right? And I wouldn't be teaching so much as just
sharing the truth I leaned from Ichthys, just in smaller size chunks?
But I also don't want to water down the Word of God and I would try not
to do that. (I hate watered down anything). I just want to share the
truth with people in an accessible way, since most people don't take
much time for anything. And a little growth is better than no growth
right? Or am I missing something?
My cousin and her fiance almost canceled the wedding over Lutheran
doctrine, since one of them likes the way the Lutherans baptize by
sprinkling and do communion. And the one who wants to be Lutheran is
concerned that if babies aren't sprinkled, they might not go to heaven.
So even though they say they believe it's faith in Jesus that saves (and
they probably are truly saved themselves, not implying that), I'm
worried that their understanding of salvation might have a rocky spot.
I'm sorry that I've been so dense as you try to tell me that God is
guiding my steps, to just keep walking. Other people keep reminding me
too, my Grandma sent me that verse one day without knowing all the
wrestling I have been going through this year. I think I finally am
starting to understand why God was making me wait. Still don't know
exactly what for but I think I have a little more calm now. Is waiting a
test for me do you think? I read in one of your studies how Abraham went
when God called, he just didn't know where he was going. Well, Abraham
had way more faith so not comparing myself to him, but it did comfort
me. I have way too much to work on in my life.
Just so you know, I do pray for you sometimes as I go on my day and when
I read things like 1 Peter 5:1-4, I think of you. Thank you for all of
your hard work.
Respectfully,
Response #7:
Hope you had a good time!
I wouldn't want to reduce it to a formula, but it is certainly true that
the more we grow and the more we get into the habit of believing and
applying the truth, and of listening to the Spirit, the less we doubt
and fear. It is a fight, however. No two days are the same. Failure
today does not mean we have to fail tomorrow – and the reverse is true
as well. So keep fighting the good fight of faith (1Tim.6:12).
Thanks for the good words. Interesting about your boss. You are a
perfect example of how the Spirit works with us. Scripture is (often)
un-distilled truth; putting a lot of scripture together with principles
of truth is the best way to give the Spirit the latitude to produce
growth. Not enough Bible, and a person can misunderstand principles of
truth (and be mislead by inaccurate or false teaching); not enough
doctrinal teaching and a person can misunderstand much about the
scriptures. The two work together with prayer and the Spirit's guidance
to produce the growth the Lord wants for us all. So good for you in
doing things the right way! I'll say a prayer for your boss.
Re: "I don't think she will get that even if she goes to a church",
that is sadly almost a given in today's Laodicean church-visible.
Re: getting upset with "churches", personally, hearing lukewarm pablum
makes me nearly physically ill. I don't think that's a wrong reaction.
We can pray for these people. We also need to recognize that most of
them are "there" because that is what they prefer.
Re: "I wonder if my ministry might be helping other ladies learn some
of the simple truths." This seems very reasonable to me and I agree
with everything you say here. In terms of how to do it, it's also
important not to "over think" the mechanics. If the moment is right,
listen to the Spirit and follow His lead. He is able to help you get
across what you know. I'm not saying don't prepare. Preparation is
always good. But don't let the fact that you are not perfectly prepared
keep you from ministering when you have the chance to do so. You can't
hit a golf ball if you don't swing at in (or in my case, often even if
you DO swing at it).
Re: "I'm worried that their understanding of salvation might have a
rocky spot" – this is an excellent example of how water-baptism has
caused so much totally unnecessary trouble in the history of the Church
Age (link), and also
of how traditionalism can come to dominate everything, even if the
tradition started out having something to do with the truth.
Re: "Is waiting a test for me do you think?" ALL tests involve
waiting. If we got what we needed/wanted from the Lord instantaneously,
where would the opportunity be to exercise our faith? We believers are
always "waiting on the Lord", or at least we should be, right up until
the glorious moment we finally see Him face to face.
Wait on the LORD;
Be of good courage,
And He shall strengthen your heart;
Wait, I say, on the LORD!
Psalm 27:14 NKJV
For evildoers shall be cut off;
But those who wait on the LORD,
They shall inherit the earth.
Psalm 37:9 NKJV
Wait on the LORD,
And keep His way,
And He shall exalt you to inherit the land;
When the wicked are cut off, you shall see it.
Psalm 37:34 NKJV
And I will wait on the LORD,
Who hides His face from the house of Jacob;
And I will hope in Him.
Isaiah 8:17 NKJV
But those who wait on the LORD
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint.
Isaiah 40:31 NKJV
From my perspective, you are making excellent spiritual progress. Keep on
running your good race; that's the way to a great reward (1Cor.9:24).
And thanks so much for those prayers, my friend! They mean a lot to me. Keeping
you in mine day by day as well.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #8:
Hi Mr. Luginbill,
I did have a good time, thank you!
My brother put in a request to our server and they said to test it again
and let them know if the problem persists, so I hope it works this time!
Do you mind clarifying when you say, "un-distilled truth"? The
dictionary says distilled is "extract the essential meaning or most
important aspects of". Are you saying that Bible teaching extracts the
main principles from Scripture? Just want to make sure I understand.
My boss and I were texting the other night (since it's a small business,
our relationship is more of a friendship at this point) and she said
something, so I mentioned our conversation of last week on God and
punishment, hoping that I might get to talk more with her.
She told me that she and another friend were talking, and she said
something about God listening, and then all of a sudden there was a clap
of thunder and a downpour and then it just stopped. So she was like,
"God IS talking to me!" And then she mentioned the story in Luke, about
Zechariah and how he was mute until John was born, and somehow she got
that it was ok to ask God for signs. Sometimes I think she puts too much
emphasis on external circumstances. I probably should have said
something more, since he was mute as a punishment, I'm not exactly sure
how she connected it to signs. Sometimes she says things that I don't
quite know how to respond to. I know that what she needs is principles
of truth, I'm just trying to see what (if anything) I can do to get
those to her. I try to say things when I can, when we have talks.
Laodicean church-visible is hard cause there is so much potential, and I
even see people who do have hearts for God, just no in-depth teaching. I
want to avoid a judgmental attitude. Other times, I'm just upset at
things that are said or things that aren't said.
Thank you for the encouragement! I think I fall far short of excellent,
but I think I am making progress. I do want to earn a good reward! I get
excited about that sometimes, and then other times I don't work at it
like I should. Lots of room for improvement.
Hope your week ends well!
Respectfully,
Response #8:
Good to hear my message got through. I contacted my hosting company and
they tell me that, for whatever reason, if another service "blacklists"
a site such as mine, right or wrong, that will stay in place for a week
or so and then drop out, and that, even if the listing is a mistake,
there's nothing that can be done about it (except your placing the
address on your safe list and changing junk/spam settings, and sometimes
this also won't work). Some services are more "touchy" than others, as
mentioned, so, in future, if I get a bounce from your address, I'll
resend via Proton (but please remember I don't check that account so
always reply to Ichthys).
As to "distilled", yes, that's right. What I'm trying to say is that
truth in the Bible is a good deal like wheat in the field vs. a good
loaf of fresh, hot bread. The former is not as easy to derive
nutritional value from, although it's certainly not wrong to pluck wheat
and eat it. It's just not the best way to provide from growth as a
steady diet. As in the Peter series, I often compare the pastor-teacher
doing his job to a cook. Believers can get a certain amount of "food"
from reading the Bible for themselves, and they certainly should, but
not enough "distilled" material in order to grow to spiritual maturity.
Now of course just as there's nothing better than a good cook, there's
nothing worse than a bad one. Better to pluck wheat than eat food which
is contaminated.
In terms of your boss, I think you demonstrated good spiritual
discernment here. It's always a mistake to try and correct those who are
not up to our level spiritually over every small thing. So unless they
say something that sets off a loud alarm (something like doubting the
deity of Christ), we are usually better letting them learn their own
way, encouraging them, dropping pearls of wisdom when the occasion is
right. And we've probably all experienced situations where the Lord did
in fact get our attention in ways that might not seem to others to be
supernatural – but we know that He was involved.
We all fall short (Rom.3:23), but if we are moving forward as you are
doing, we will get to where we want to go – where the Lord wants us to
go. There's great reward in store for that approach.
Keeping you in my daily prayers, my friend.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #9:
Hi Bob,
I hope you are well on all fronts! Thanks as always for continuing
feeding us with new material(s). I'm still digging into and going over
the other previous offerings...learning a little more each time...time
well spent, that's for sure.
Your recent Heb. 7 study is a great
reminder to appreciate the fuller details of what our Lord has done by
bringing salvation to the forefront, replacing the past beggarly
elements of bondage by following the inferior Law, to now living under
the New Covenant of the perfect and superior Law of Love. You clearly
presented and explained, but, I'm sure I'll need another run at it to
fully digest it, due to all the depth, and fully understand by
connecting the dots to get a correct application for us believers living
in today's world. Thank you for all the help I'm getting in these late
innings. Looking Forward to Heb. 8., but I know you have a lot on your
plate. I don't know how you keep up so well, but I'm sure God is helping
you along, as He does for all of us who are diligently seeking Him.
While I was checking things out in the study, for a brief moment, it did
bring a few not so fond memories from the stint I had to endure by being
brought up in the legalistic RC "religion". My parents just didn't know
the implications of belonging to that "church". (this is how we "do it"
generation after generation application). Not sure where they ended up,
however I do know for sure they loved our Lord and were quite serious
about obeying Him by living a righteous life.
But, there was a lot of garbage to wade through, which I have doubts
that they possibly didn't slough off enough to "make their election and
calling sure" in the end (2 Peter 1:10-11). I know "works" will not save
anyone, so I'm not sure if they believed "all of it" that their priests
were telling them. I do remember telling them that we're saved by grace
through faith alone, (the subliminal warning to "test the tree"), but
only they and God know their final outcome. I'm glad you didn't have
this dilemma to ponder with your Mom and Dad. We can't know much about
it all without our personal discernment in our own circumstances. (who,
what, where , how, and why introspection). But I know God will judge
everything perfectly correct in all cases.
I did not get much out of RC, with all of their complicated false
doctrines and rituals, like the Mass ceremony with their false "transubstantial"
communion; praying to Mary or the appropriate patron saint of
"expertise" to get your petitions to God heard; confession of "venial or
mortal sins" to a priest in a dark confessional, with the "appropriate"
penance prayers to "clean the slate", following up with the anticipation
of making sure you died in a "state of grace"? (whatever that means?);
or possibly to be sentenced to Purgatory (for how long?...days, months,
or years?) if you weren't quite good enough for Heaven; of course, dying
with a "mortal sin" on your "slate" was a deal breaker, with an eternal
life sentence in hell; some further puzzles were their re-invention of
the levitical priesthood, with all their regalia of different
(appropriate) vestments, chalices, altars, incense, beeswax candles,
etc., added to the complicated mix. Whew! You can't make this stuff
up!...but look at the LARGE following. Pretty effective manipulation and
brainwashing I have to say! Of course, the other churches are onto this
very same ploy to stay "in control".
I guess I was "present", but not truly realizing all the ins and outs of
such a complicated religion. Lucky me to be born into the "one true
Church" though! When I was a teenager I was losing "interest", but all
the same I hung in there together following Mom and Dad's perfect
attendance. I was an obedient child for the most part. (Commandment #4
for RC, Honor them...so your days would be long in the land...). I think
it was #4 to keep the Sabbath in the Bible (why the mix-up?). Only the
Catholic authority might have that answer? I probably wasn't that good
at learning their Catechism, to see if something was said about it, or
learn the other important stuff. I got an "A" in Religion class somehow
anyway!
However, because I wasn't dyed in the wool enough, it all came to an
abrupt end when I left the nest to attend college. I bailed out of the
last service vowing never to return, because of hearing the priest in
the pupit yammering to the congregation to (cough up) and "offer" their
church some more money for something or other. This annoyed me a lot, so
I got up from the pew and walked out as the priest was saying something
to/about me for leaving the scene while he was giving his persuading
spiel (probably to guilt or embarrass me)...I never looked back, and was
glad it was finally over!
The bad part is that not only did I leave the RC offensively wrong
religious monstrosities, I, in addition, put God in my rearview mirror
as well, completely tanking what little faith I did have. I was thinking
all denominations (without any further investigation) were only into
"mind control" and I didn't want any part of that. And my secular
college was rife with humanist atheists (teachers and students) who
didn't help me figure out what I was setting myself up for...apostasy.
It was all darkness, being deceived by vain words of "unreality" (Eph.
5:6-14).
It was the worst possible situation that occurred, and it lasted for
nearly 15 yr., before I woke up. "Reality" finally kicked in when the
Holy Spirit got a hold of me to show me what a sorry condition I was in.
I got that message loud and clear and realized I was on that "broad
path" (big time), and lacking the One Person I needed desperately to be
on the right path.
I even remember [omitted]. That "displaced aggression" still haunts me
when I think about how rude and callous I was in that incident. (going
from being good? sober Catholic boy to a rebellious kook). Leaving
Catholicism was great, but I am sorry to be so foolish when I went off
the deep end, leaving God out of the equation entirely. I still feel
that shame, even though I do know He forgave my rebellious trespass
against Him. Other mis-steps after confession didn't hang on as bad as
this one. Naturally, I have learned it's always best to stay as close to
Him as possible, to avoid any more "problems" by not paying close
attention to His point of view (the only one to follow to please and
bring glory to Him). The world view is NOT our friend!
I told you how God reminded me of how He spared me from His wrath in the
fire (in several near-death experiences, before being saved) long enough
for me to make the right choice for Him. He showed me just how great His
love, mercy, grace, and forgiveness truly is, if we humble ourselves and
repent, confess and receive His forgiveness, and go forward, to put our
trust in Him alone no matter what our circumstance. Lesson
learned...Thank you God for your patience for saving me from myself. He
is the only Way, the Truth, and the Life! It was a true miracle (and
just in time), so I will never forget what He did for me over 40 yr.
ago!
God knows all and He didn't want me to perish. I am grateful that I got
my "gospel moment", to enable me to change course. That was the best
moment in my life when I finally surrendered to God and was born-again
(again?). That other guy died, all to my eternal benefit!
I know it's never good to dwell on the past which we can't fix anyway
(Phil. 3:13-14), but it made me wonder about the apostate vs. the
prodigal son comparison that you focused on in #12 of last weekend's
email response. It's a misplaced guilt I felt, when you opined that
"it's highly unlikely after "completely" denying Christ to want to come
back to the faith". (with the most likely implication of one never
coming back). You deduced that as long as we are here alive on earth we
have our free-will choice to come back to the faith.
Granted my case was tipping on that precipice of having no later
forgiveness acquired from Him to be saved (again?). God's love and mercy
is all encompassing if we endure in faith until the end (Matt. 24:13;
John 3:18: Rom. 8:1). So, I'm not worried about my status today...Thank
God! Going forward, now it's a matter of growing spiritually and
pursuing sanctification daily, and keeping the armor of God on at all
times to withstand any further attacks or setbacks (that are bound to
keep coming). The fight of faith continues (1 Tim. 6:12).
Here's the case reference of how it all happened: At __ yr old I went
from trying to be a believer of sorts, (but not truly "getting it", by
listening to the dismal lacking in merit RC standards) later to end up
by subscribing to atheism, which made me think maybe I wasn't just being
the "prodigal son" who "went off into a far country", but rather more
like a lost sheep who wasn't listening for the Shepherd's voice to come
back into the sheepfold. However, I did buy into atheism, hook, line,
and sinker. So, in hindsight, looking at that time in my life I wouldn't
be eligible for the "sin unto death" and still be saved, because my
faith had seemingly died from my own stupid choice(s) from my faulty
reasoning.
"Bad company corrupts good character" (1 Cor 15:33), but nobody forced
me to become an unbeliever. I was merely deceived by them and myself,
thinking it didn't matter whether you believe it or not. (Taking "the
mark" during the coming Tribulation will be an imponderable disaster and
unpardonable sin, and we know that 1/3 of the believers will succumb to
that ruse). We're getting ready for what is coming shortly, staying
aware as Jesus instructs us (Matt. 24, and elsewhere).
My "awareness" mind had failed when I was young and not paying proper
attention. Mom and Dad raised me right, but I didn't consider doing the
right thing after I left the nest (given the input of the sorry state of
RC, and believing all "churches" were of the same deception). This has
to be a familiar story for more than a few people, who take that
dangerous detour (actively or passively) to choose becoming or staying
an unbeliever.
In fact, it's not about mere knowledge...It's about knowledge mixed with
faith (and believing in the truth) and following it with the Spirit's
guidance, by applying it to your life through faith. The fact of the
matter is that our life is solely vested in and all about Jesus Christ,
whether we want to believe it or not. He created us to please and bring
glory to Himself, our true object of worship. Lesson learned.
My conclusion: Can we get saved a second time? I do believe we can, as
long as we receive the truth and believe it (again) in time, and don't
toss it away ever again. God may give anyone over to a reprobate mind
(eventually) at His choosing (Rom. 1:28). But, we can enter His rest if
we don't repeat the mistakes we made "in the wilderness" (Heb. 3:12)
"Behold the goodness and severity of God...if we continue in His
goodness we won't (remain) cut off. And they also, if they abide not
still in unbelief they shall be grafted back in again: for God is able
to graft them back in (again) " (Rom. 11:22-23).
Anyway, Bob, you know my thoughts about how I recovered after my very
poor judgement and performance (worse than Peter's denial of Jesus to
save his own skin, or Job's blaming his dilemma on God?). Glad my mind
and spirit have been reset! I'm in the race until the end (Heb.
12:1)...and will never forget what He did for me, who is so unworthy yet
grateful to be "in Him".
On the homefront things are going about the same (some fortunate, some
not). [omitted] Age and 40+ yr. in building construction has caught up
with me it seems. I hope your issues aren't plaguing you too much? It
will be great when we reach the other side! In the meantime we'll just
have to take it one day at a time, with His help.
Those new resurrected bodies are looking better all the time! Also very
much eagerly waiting for our ultimate deliverance from all the craziness
we see swirling around us in just about every corner far and near. No
surprises to know what is right around the corner. Thanks for your
prayers for us and the unfortunate family situation(s). You remain in
ours for God's provision to/for your every need. Have a good one, Bob!
Your friend in Jesus,
Response #9:
Great to hear from you, my friend! Happy to hear that you and ___ are
doing somewhat better as opposed to somewhat worse. I have been praying
for you and will refine my list here a bit. Thanks for your prayers too.
I'm doing pretty well. Now that the semester is over, I'm hoping to be
able to devote a bit more time to exercise and try to lose some weight.
I do have a bit of an issue in my right shoulder (the same one that
froze some years back) as the result of a little tumble I took jogging.
Also, recovering from a really bad case of poison ivy or the like. Even
though I was wearing gloves, I tried to pull up the wrong root,
apparently. The whole of my right hand got burned, especially the
fingers, front and back. But I can still type!
Thanks much for this very thoughtful email, my friend. I dearly hope
you'll let me post it one of these days. Your experience is not only
somewhat similar to the one posted last Saturday but to that of many
I've heard from over the years. It's a familiar theme: "I was saved; I
rebelled; I thought/said/did awful things that make me doubt I was still
a believer; now I love the Lord; am I OK?" And, of course, anyone who
loves the Lord believes in the Lord and all believers are saved. So
regardless of whether it was a case of faith dying out completely and
being born again/again or of the Spirit's seed "remaining in" the person
and being revived (1Jn.3:9), the person is saved NOW and NOW is what
counts (in addition of course to what will happen tomorrow, but we're
all in THAT boat). Worrying about whether it was "death of faith" or
"near death of faith", therefore, is an academic question and perhaps
even (perish the thought) a theological question. But the one thing as
you see from the posting that I have to contend with are those poor
souls who are determined to advocate against themselves even though for
sure they are saved. The ironic thing is that by upsetting themselves
and finding reasons to believe that they are not saved they are actually
militating against their own salvation. Because by causing themselves
such grief in regard to the Lord they are depriving themselves of the
joy that should be theirs and making true backsliding more rather than
less likely. So of course the devil is eager to get them to play this
no-win game. Better to relax and trust the Spirit. But some people are
like a dog with a bone in regard to specific points like this.
I congratulate YOU for working your way through and OUT of this trap . .
. by being willing to accept the truth and not being willing to be
manipulated by lies. And by the way, your analysis of Roman Catholicism
is particularly helpful. I have known a good many wonderful people who
were RC and it's probably not too much to say that they outnumber the
Protestants in regard to the number who were moral and just fine people.
But of course it doesn't mean they were/are saved. From what we can
glean from ancient history, there were plenty of Romans who were fine
and upstanding people, but of course not saved. And the vast majority of
the Jewish people I've known in my life (and I've known many, having
grown up in Chicago in a mostly Jewish neighborhood) were likewise fine
and upstanding people – but not believers in Jesus Christ. Immature
Christians are always problematic. They come in for special attention
from the evil one and they don't have the spiritual resources to cope
with that.
So once again, thanks for this great testimony, my friend! I very much
appreciate it and, again, would be most grateful to you if you'd be
willing to share it (happy to excise anything you don't feel comfortable
with being posted).
In Jesus,
Bob L.
p.s., "Those new resurrected bodies are looking better all the time!"
Amen to that!
Question #10:
Hi Bob,
Sorry to hear about the ouches that crept in unawares. Hopefully, I pray
recovery will come quickly, and with no residual effects. I can relate
to those past injuries, which only reminds me that we're not as
bullet-proof as we'd wish we could be (yet).
As far as exercise goes to drop a few pounds, that is a good tactic. I
can't seem to lose much weight, probably with the calorie intake
superseding the exercise part. Not to mention I do like those types of
foods that really help keep the pounds on. How about some yummy cookies
or donuts? If I had a box of ice cream right now I think it wouldn't
stay in the freezer very long to be gone. I don't know how I'll fare if
it's just beans and rice again during the black horse economic downturn
that is on its way. But, if I'm still here, any kind of Manna will be
great. I'm trusting God will "give us this day our daily bread" one way
or another. I can't count all the times He's provided, and it's a lot
more than all that good grub that I've consumed in abundance (maybe too
much in the 2024 battle of the bulge). A little more discipline wouldn't
hurt...maybe I can get closer to that perfect weight? It's not an easy
fix.
As far as that email testimony goes, I wonder how useful it might be for
others to view? I was mostly just venting to you to share some of my
past (shameful and embarrassing) missteps and unwanted experiences, and
how I finally got back on track with God, after practically selling my
birthright for what the deceptive world had to offer. As you say, "it's
a familiar theme...". Do you think it might tug on someone to increase
their faith and trust God more to see them through?
Without a proper foundation the whole above framework will fall apart
eventually. Rebuilding is possible, if care is taken to protect the
framework from further collapse by shoring things up until a newer and
better (plumb, square, and level) foundation is installed. Of course,
that Foundation is our Rock, Jesus Christ. Not the RC 1st Pope "little
rock" Peter. He said, "I will build my Church, and the gates of hell
will not prevail against it".
I'm glad to report I'm now standing in that perfect "Building", which
will never fall. In my youth I fell because I didn't have the proper
foundation, but God knew I wanted the Truth, and He not only delivered
me from my rebellious collapse (after my surrender), but He also set me
onto the real Foundation, for which I am eternally grateful to Him. The
only way I got the victory over the world was through my faith and love
for Him. He is the one who did all the work to get me here...and He is
the originator and completer of my faith. I won't ever throw it away
again, and thank Him for all the patience and kindness He's given to
such an unworthy servant. I hope to get a "well done" by staying
onboard, and doing whatever He wants me to do in these last few years
that are left before He returns.
Thank you for listening to my concerns and offering comments with
further insight. It helps me to stay encouraged. Praying all is going
well for you, and thank you for keeping us in prayer too. Take care,
Bob!
In Jesus,
Response #10:
No worries, my friend. I'm already "molting" so it could have been
worse. Re: "If I had a box of ice cream right now I think it wouldn't
stay in the freezer very long to be gone", that's my problem too.
What I really NEED to do is stop buying the stuff.
Re: "I wonder how useful it might be for others to view", answer:
very much, I can assure you. So I would appreciate you letting me post
it (with some things excised – whatever you wish). I can't tell you how
many readers over the years have shared similar experiences. When you
think you're the only one, it's a lot harder than when you realize
you've got a lot of company – solid believers like yourself who have
likewise turned things around to the glory of Christ.
Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. So resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brothers and sisters who are in the world.
1st Peter 5:8-9 NASB20
Keeping you and yours in my prayers daily too, my friend – thanks so much for
yours!
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #11:
Hi Bob,
I hope your new growth comes quickly! [omitted] Another sign of the times it
seems. There definitely are worse aggravating conditions on the list of problems
for both of us to deal with for a while.
Upon reconsideration permission to post is granted.
Glad I have you for a friend and a wise and trusted mentor, in company with
calling on the Lord out of a pure heart (2 Tim. 2:22; 1 Cor. 1:9; Rom. 12:4-6).
I'll be checking in later this evening in anticipation of further strength,
encouragement, and insight, from our brothers and sisters in Christ as well as
your thoughtful responses. Have a good one, Bob!
Your friend in Jesus
Response #11:
Thanks for this, my friend. Probably will be a minute before you see
this one "up".
Finally got the preliminary gardening and planting done! And boy do I
ache! 70+ is NOT the new 20! At eighty, Caleb told Joshua "As yet I
am as strong this day as on the day that Moses sent me; just as my
strength was then, so now is my strength for war, both for going out and
for coming in." (Josh.14:11 NKJV). Must have had something to do
with eating manna for forty years. Because I sure can't say the same.
But at least it all got done. It's been a busy summer of work on house
and yard. Sometime this week I plan to get my toes wet with research
too.
I keep you and your families in my daily prayers, my friend.
Keep fighting the fight.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #12:
Hi Bob,
Good going, Bob! You're ahead of me in the gardening game! I have not
even started working the outside garden yet. The Golden Horde of rabbits
is laying in wait to invade and attack if they find the least evidence
of a shoot poking out of the ground. So, I have to build the small wall
of China first to thwart any danger of a stealth invasion. (Too bad
didn't care to keep the big gate shut to keep out some undesirable
varmints...but It's all part of the "plan" to eat up the resources and
create his socialist utopia). I'm glad God is in control of these
rascals, and He will exterminate them very soon. So, no need to get
riled up. We do know the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey used to sign
off with. This does give our "how old are you" away, doesn't it?
I'm sure to be in the same category of aches and pains when I get
rolling on things this coming week. Probably will be rolling on some
Bengay too! 70+ is where I'm at too, and I have noticed in the last 15
years or so I don't move like I once did. A good diet and exercise is
key, but my motivation for doing both seems to have slacked off, since I
retired from climbing ladders and lifting heavy weights. I have been
picking my battles of late. Probably should have a talk with myself to
see if I can improve my outlook.
Caleb probably did have an edge on us, with his special gung-ho
experience(s) and great character. I wonder what that manna tasted like?
I get a kick out of seeing all those crazy commercials about taking this
or that capsule, and being ready to fight George Foreman or run a 4 min.
mile soon after. Showing a pile of great looking fruits and veggies, and
then saying that if you take several of these "expensive" supplements
instead you'll be living great for another 5 min. longer or so (I made
that 5 min. part up).
Summer is right around the corner. I hope we'll both have a good one,
and enjoy all that He gifts us with. Keeping you in prayer, and thank
you for praying for all of us.
Your friend in Jesus
Response #12:
We plant flowers only and the rabbits don't bother them much. So we live
and let burrow.
On manna, scripture says "tasted like wafers made with honey"
(Ex.16:31).
Re: "Paul Harvey", most of my students now are "Zoomers", and I'm
finding that nearly all of the cultural references I tend to use are
falling on deaf ears now. I guess I would need to spend some time on
Tik-Tok to be relevant . . . but the price is too high.
I try to avoid ladders as well. Just prudent at this point. I don't
bounce as well as I used to.
I'm trying to hold onto the exercise. The diet is more problematic. Good
days and bad ones on that score. Unfortunately, losing weight takes
consistency. Supplement pills are clearly not going to do it. I try to
stay away from all pills, if possible.
We're already "summery" here in L-ville. A bit rainier now than it's
likely to be a little later on, but that is good for all the seeds we
just put in. Should have gotten to it earlier, but it's been a very busy
couple of months. Hoping to have things calm down a bit so as to get to
research earlier than last summer. I'll appreciate it in August if I do.
Thanks for your prayers too, my friend!
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #13:
Hi Bob,
Re: At least they don't bother the flowers much. Not always the case
here, but I guess the rabbits and us will just have to let bygones be
bygones on that disagreement. But not with the vegetable garden...that
war will continue unfortunately. Good fences make for good neighbors
(Robert Frost's "Mending Wall"--1914).
That manna sounds like pretty good fare. When I was young I raised bees
and can vouch for how nice it was to eat hot biscuits with butter and
some of that very local honey topping it off. Too bad the Israelites
criticized and complained so much. That didn't work out too well for
them to be greedy to have more than their well supply of manna. Quail is
pretty tasty, (similar to the grouse I use to hunt and eat), but you can
imagine the horror of what transpired before swallowing and digesting it
(Numbers 11:33). "But godliness with contentment is great gain" (1 Tim.
3:8). A good takeaway from all this..."Give us this day our daily
bread"...we should be grateful to Him for everything He provides to
sustain us (Matt. 6:11).
Here's hoping you have a great summer, and get that research behind you
before another wave comes in.
Your friend in Jesus,
Response #13:
Come to think of it, the bunnies did stop us from planting milkweed. The
butterflies love it . . . but so do the rabbits. We had a nice stand of
it one year but it seemed to be getting thinner and thinner. Then we
realized that the rabbits were sheering it down one stalk a time from
the inside out of the patch! They don't seem to go for zinnias,
nasturtiums or poppies, so I guess we're good for now.
Re: "we should be grateful to Him for everything He provides to
sustain us", Amen! We are only dimly aware at present what He's
doing for us day by day in all manner of unseen ways. When we get to the
other side, I'm sure it'll be made clear that the Lord "had our back" in
all things at all times, and that there was no point in getting upset or
worrying about anything. Here and now, under pressures of the moment,
that takes some spiritual maturity and aggressive application of the
truth to hold onto sometimes. But that is our mandate.
"So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well."
Matthew 6:31-33 NIV
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #14:
Hi Bob,
I've been listening to and reading a lot about what is called the
"deconstruction movement" (supposedly a postmodern term). And about
people who have left Christianity and call themselves "exvangelicals".
Just wondered if you had heard much about it.
It's something I came across after I told you about the comment ___ made
to me. Not at all saying __ has read any of this. Just that it's
plastered all over the internet. Ex-Christians or "exvangelicals" giving
their testimonies about why they left Christianity. Basically trying to
rip the Bible and the Lord apart. They say they're not trying to
deconvert anyone (don't believe that) but just trying to help those who
are in the process of "deconstructing their faith". Anyone who listens
to this and isn't strong in the Word and their faith could so easily be
led away from the Lord.
I could write a lot more about it all but I'll leave it at that for now.
Thanks Bob.
In Jesus
Response #14:
The only thing I know about deconstructionism is as a literary theory
(which I abhor but have to pretend to be open to on the academic front
lines). If it's applied to the truth it will be a weapon to attack the
truth in the name of intellectualism.
I'm not surprised that so many traditional-only Christians-in-name-only
are leaving traditional churches and that the church-visible is
hemorrhaging membership – unless they've mastered the "new circus"
techniques.
For individuals parting with something that was part of their family
tradition, it's not surprising that they would be attracted to a good
excuse-set. For those who are really seeking the Lord, none of that is
necessary; just perseverance until they find what He has for them. But
for unbelievers who are fed up with the tradition for any number of
reasons, this seems as good a port in the storm as any to justify what
they're doing. Believers who are, as you mention, "strong in the faith"
are not going to be misled by such things, as if there were anything
"there". But the devil has all manner of traps for those who are not
serious enough about what ought to be the most important thing in their
lives.
And [in hopes that God may grant them] to wake up from the devil's trap, when taken captive to do his will.
2nd Timothy 2:26
Grateful for your steadfast love of the truth, my friend!
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #15:
Hi Bob,
What you've written sounds spot on to me.
One woman who calls herself an "outspoken ex-Christian" has her own
YouTube channel and she said deconstruction is all about taking the
beliefs that you hold, beliefs that were given to you or indoctrinated
into you from birth and carefully critically examining them to make sure
that what you believe is true - that it rings true for you. She said it
doesn't always lead to deconversion but all the testimonies I have
listened to were from people who had deconverted.
If they have questions they're not looking for a true answer from the
Bible. They're looking for an answer that aligns with their own personal
preferences or cultural beliefs. They're looking for exits not answers.
Where there is a biblical position on biblical sexuality in the mind of
the deconstructionist that's homophobia or oppression. They say it's
toxic theology. Anything that makes them feel oppressed or abused or
uncomfortable or sad is a toxic belief. When they hear that they are a
sinner in need of a Saviour, that Jesus is the only way to God, that
hell is a real place, these are considered to be toxic beliefs that are
very oppressive and abusive to them. They want to rid themselves of the
toxic beliefs. They use the words racism, misogyny, homophobia,
Christian nationalism etc. as reasons for why they leave Christianity.
There are even deconstruction coaches to help people deconstruct.
That's just a little bit more of what I read about it. I know there are
Christians who have genuine questions or doubts or painful experiences.
I also know that the Lord sees their hearts and He knows those who
desire the truth and He will never fail to lead them to the truth.
Hope you have a lovely weekend, Bob!
In Jesus
Response #15:
"They're looking for exits not answers." That is so well put.
Talk about beliefs. Considering everything you don't like "racism,
misogyny, homophobia, Christian nationalism" is definitely "faith
based", only faith in oneself and one's made-up theosophy.
As you note, it's not a bad idea for Christians to question things.
Every Christian should be reading the Bible for themselves, and all
Christians have a right to ask their pastor-teacher "what gives?" if
what they read seems greatly out of line with what is being taught.
That's the way to find out if they are in the right place or the wrong
place. But only those who are really seeking the truth rather than
self-justification, seeking what the Lord wants rather than an excuse to
do what they want, are going to get the right answers. And it's not so
easy. It takes effort to find the right place. It takes effort and
patience to grow in the right place – and a great deal of humility. And
all progress will be tested by the evil one. There will be plenty of
"reasons" to revert and to doubt. After all, no pastor-teacher is
perfect. We all have "feet of clay". But for everyone who really is
knocking, the Lord will open a door (Rev.3:20). And He will provide the
spiritual food necessary in the quality and the quantity that the
Christian in question is willing to accept.
But as to these individuals, to be honest I have doubts about their
faith in Christ. If they are not unbelievers, this approach will lead to
apostasy pretty quickly. Tearing down what you believe in the wrong way
leads to throwing out the good with the bad . . . and not replacing it
with anything good. We could call this Gnosticism.
Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith.
1st Timothy 6:20-21 NIV
Spring break is over, but much got done, so I'm quite relieved. I do plan to
relax a little this weekend. Hope you have a chance to do the same, my friend!
Keeping you in my prayers.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #16:
-Good morning Professor Luginbill-
I’m currently focusing on Paul’s teachings on legalism, trying to bring
it into the application of what we see in the Church today – hence 2
questions:
In 1 Corinthians 3:4, “I follow…..” Would it do an injustice to Sacred
Scripture to allegorically substitute a denominational name in place of
the reference to the persons listed in the referenced scripture? Isn’t
denominationalism essentially a form of legalism?
Just seems to me that when one reviews the membership rituals of many
mainline denominations, that the focus is more on loyalty and compliance
to the respective denomination that to Christ. Perhaps exemplified by
this cliché “I'm a (denominational preference) born and bred and I'll be
one till I die”
As always – I so appreciate Ichthys!
Response #16:
Good to hear from you, my friend.
On #1, I think it's a very good point (as long as its made clear that
this is an application not a translation). On #2, it certainly has
developed that way, in that just by codifying a denomination one has to
invent rules and regulations which are ipso facto not biblical.
There is a great deal about legalism in the most recent series, Hebrews
(see
especially this link in the introduction).
Thanks for your good words of encouragement, my friend!
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #17:
Remember Dan Corner? That supposed false teacher? He claims the countless cases of people converted through his ministry having had "all sin addictions instantly broken" as proof the Gospel he preaches is the true one. Why would the enemy break all addictions they have to any sin after all?
Response #17:
"Remember Dan Corner?" Honestly, no. There are more false teachers out there today than you can shake a stick at. Good job in easily realizing a pack of lies when you see it, my friend. Link: Peter #39: False Teachers, False Teaching, and False Organizations
Question #18:
Hi Mr. Luginbill,
I hope you are doing well! I have a question. My mom and I went to Bible
study last night, and the topic was temptation and satan. The pastor
directs the discussion and asks the prepared questions and people give
their thoughts. One of the gentlemen said he looked up all the passages
in the New Testament that referred to satan and he gave 3 chapters of
Zechariah, specifically (if I have the passage right) 13:2,
On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and
they will be remembered no more,” declares the Lord Almighty. “I will
remove both the prophets and the spirit of impurity from the land.
Zechariah 13:2
Then he gave 1st Peter 5:8,
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a
roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
And then 2nd Peter 2:4,
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to
hell,putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;
If I understood him correctly, he was saying that satan isn't active
anymore. He said that 1st Peter and 2nd Peter were written 15 years
apart, and that the verse "prowls around" is in the present tense and
the verse about the angels in chains is in the past tense - I think he's
drawing the conclusion that the devil was made inactive within those 15
years (he didn't say those exact words but he sort of implied that), and
he also mentioned something on 70 AD. I don't know what he's referring
to.
I don't understand the historical/prophetical nature of Zechariah, where
it fits in the timeline of human history - I don't know my Old Testament
well, but his argument doesn't fit my understanding of Scripture. I
thought the angels in chains were ones who had violated God's rules, not
all fallen angels. Is my understanding right on this?
Thank you!
Response #18:
Good to hear from you!
To be quite frank, this is a wonderful snapshot of where we are in
Laodicea nowadays. In our modern world, we have more opportunities for
men with the gift of pastor-teacher to become prepared than every before
in history. Ancient mss. of the Bible are online. Commentaries abound.
One can learn Greek and Hebrew virtually without having to travel to
some far away city. There are many Bible sites where a person can easily
search for any passage in scripture in any version. And Bible versions
abound in English, too many to keep track of. In terms of doctrine and
solid teaching, while there is dearth of good things here, there is
Ichthys, and there is Bible Academy (link),
and there are places and individuals where and from whom a believer can
grow spiritually . . . if interested in doing so. But this is Laodicea.
And the vast majority of Christians are not really interested in
learning anything. Not even (or perhaps especially even) if they go to
church and "Bible study" regularly. As a result, there aren't many truly
well-prepared pastor-teachers out there . . . because there is little to
no demand for them.
No offense, but I have a problem with the very idea of calling this sort
of gathering a "Bible study". My view of biblical "Bible study" is 1) a
Christian reading his/her Bible; 2) accessing good teaching from a
prepared teacher (whether in person, or from writing, or, nowadays,
on-line or virtual); 3) informally encouraging other Christians and
gaining encouragement from them by sharing things learned from the
process mentioned.
In other words, I don't think there can be a biblical "Bible study"
without a teacher who is prepared at the "front end" (so that believers
can do their job on the "back end"). Not a good one anyway. How do we
know that someone random person's random impression of what they think
the Bible says is right? Teachers, prepared ones, anyway, are
responsible to the Lord to "get it right", and provide abundant proof of
the quality of their "fruit" (or lack thereof). But those without the
gift and without the training cannot be expected to get anything right.
And usually do not.
Now a Christian who is spiritually mature and continuing to grow WILL
know a great deal of truth, and such a person CAN be a benefit to
someone who asks them a question or expresses curiosity about the Lord
(so as to evangelize them) or about the Bible if a believer (so as to
demonstrate to them that, yes, there are definite truths in scripture
which can and should be mastered). Further, such a person can gain a
great deal of encouragement and reinforcement of the truth by reading
scripture for themselves; when bumping into things that aren't clear or
troubling – something that happens less and less with growth – well,
that is where the pastor-teacher comes in as well.
Case in point #1 here: "If I understood him correctly, he was saying
that satan isn't active anymore." That is, of course, dangerously wrong,
and there is no biblical evidence to suggest it (certainly not the
passages quoted here; the "logic" doesn't work at all, and this is not
the way to interpret scripture).
Case in point #2 here: "I thought the angels in chains were ones who had
violated God's rules, not all fallen angels." That is absolutely
correct! So you make my point. If said person had asked you about this,
not in a formal "Bible study" setting, you could have set him straight
(if willing to be set straight; I have my doubts about that).
So you are a perfect example of what believers are supposed to be doing:
growing in the truth. As a result, you are able to see immediately when
some "teaching" is wrong (#1), and also often able to remember and apply
what is in fact correct in the face of some false teaching (#2).
Your "spiritual common sense" is also evident in this email. You were
able to discern that these impressive sounding "facts" about dates and
historical background were not really germane but merely obfuscating the
truth. People do this with Greek and Hebrew words too (and also by
name-dropping "scholars" and theologians). . . usually people who in
fact know very little about Greek or Hebrew or theology or history.
So kudos to you, my friend! Keep growing in "grace and knowledge of our
Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ" (2Pet.3:18). That is best way to stay
spiritually safe – and to earn a "well done!" from our Lord on that
great day to come.
Keeping you in my prayers, my friend.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #19:
Hi Mr. Luginbill,
Thank you for this. I knew what he was saying was wrong (honestly I'd
never considered that, it was a new thought) I just didn't know enough
about the Zechariah passages to understand their correct interpretation.
I am more familiar with 1 and 2 Peter, since they are New Testament.
No offense taken, you are right and I am very appreciative that you are
gifted and prepared to help others understand God's Word. Thank you for
always encouraging me!
Response #19:
It's my pleasure!
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #20:
Hi Bob,
Alrighty then! I fasted (a touch over 30-hours) and prayed (here and
there throughout the day), and received (I think?) what I call a
"whisper". If I'm understanding it correctly, I'm supposed to stick with
pestering ___ for answers to my questions. I will honor that nudge, but
this note will still be fairly beefy, because there are a few things I
would like your direct opinion on. I'll likely ask ___ the same
questions at some point, to get his take on them, too.
By the way, on behalf of we who wrestle with God, I would like to thank
you, in advance, for your time and attention. I know you're busy, and I
really appreciate your ministry. I'm especially grateful for the
ripples...without them, I wouldn't have found ___.
1) How do we cast our burdens on the Lord? I've been trying to capture
every thought (those that are negative, as well as ruminating thoughts
of past guilt, shame, etc.) so as to give them to Him... "Let go and let
God" if you will. However, it seems that I'm doing it wrong, because
much of the time these thoughts come every hour on the hour. I've prayed
to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, asking one or are all three of them
to help me with this ongoing issue. And, nothing seems to be changing,
or the changes are imperceptible to my feeble human mind.
2) Adiaphora. As Jesus said in Matthew... is it truly what comes out of
a man's mouth that defiles him? If I have that right, can I smoke a few
(not a few hundred) cigars on the weekend, and wash a burger down with a
few beers, as long as I'm not a raging alcoholic and fully replacing
cigarettes with cigars? I'm confused on this issue, because... well,
let's just say that back in the day, I probably did YOUR share of
illicit drugs, Bob. Not to mention the onslaught of allopathic
medications I was forced to take by my dear ol' mum (a retired RN), when
I was seven or eight.
I used to smoke an average of 30 cigarettes per day, and when I was in
my 20s and early 30s, I did party quite a bit, but I was never what I
would call addicted to drinking. Caffeine and nicotine managed to sink
their claws into me, but I was always able to take or leave a shot of
Crown Royale. Now that I'm ___, and a baby in Christ... I'm wondering if
honoring God's temple means that I should only eat health food and drink
water all day (neither of which would be "bad"), or if it's OK to enjoy
things that might not be "good" for the human body, as long as it's in
moderation.
3) 1611 KJV. ___ has a video on how people are willfully ignorant these
days, and I think it's based on some of the writings on your website.
Anyway, he credits you as his teacher, and if I'm not misapprehending
what I think he said in the last six-months or so, my question is: are
people ignorant (no doubt, many are) or is there something more sinister
at play?
With regard to the 1611 KJV Bible... I did a couple of weeks worth of
diligent research on which Bible I should study, only because there are
97 versions. Using logic, I wouldn't think that every iteration of the
Canon is accurate. It didn't come right away, mostly due to all the
disinformation and conflicting information that's out there nowadays,
but I finally stumbled on a handful of websites (one that's reminiscent
of yours in terms of the sheer volume of information, as well as the
layout), that seemed to have thoughtfully-argued dissertations, and even
novellas, on how/why the 1611 KJV is the most authentic Bible in
existence.
What are your thoughts on the long, rambling paragraph above?
4) Feelings. Should I not feel the Holy Spirit... at all times? Is it
impossible or unimportant to, "Know that I know that I know", that I'm
saved? "Once saved, always saved", is a prevalent teaching that is
expressed in the ecumenical zeitgeist... to think that our names can be
written, with indelible ink in the Book of Life (although, I do pray and
ask God to do that, to not let me burn in hell)... is that a
meritorious, lofty goal or wishful/delusional thinking? Is it not more
important for Jesus to know you and me, than for us to know Him?
(Matthew 7:23)
There are several questions mashed-together in question number four...
they're so similar and related that I didn't want to parse them out. For
context, I studied Buddhism for 20 years. My mom's a proud witch who
belongs to a coven, sister is agnostic and my dad is an atheist. My
whole family lineage, as far as I can tell, is cursed up one side and
down the other, replete with mental illness, suicide, poverty and the
like.
____, so most on that side are adherents of Islam. I'm pretty well
estranged from my whole family and most of my old friends since the
Plandemic. Not sure why I, the black sheep, saw that this was all a ruse
and that the death-jab should be avoided at all costs... suffice it to
say, 99% --no exaggeration-- of everyone I'm related to or know, took
the clot-shot, drank the kool aid and many, still to this day, wear
masks. I mean, Stephen King himself would be hard-pressed to dream up a
dystopian nightmare like the one we're living through. Incredible.
I don't think I'm special, nor do I tell you all of that to give the
impression that, "My family bad, me good and saintly". I've been as much
of a sinner as the next guy, and in some cases... well, use your
imagination. So, it's not that I think I'm above or beyond anyone else.
I do think that, as a baby in Christ (I had a divine experience a little
over seven years ago), I have challenges and obstacles to overcome that
surpass that of your average bear. Not everyone who now considers
themselves a Christian made a "deal" (with you-know-who) when they were
15 years old, because their life was so miserable and they weren't
raised-up in the word.
Case in point, I pray regularly for the peace that surpasses all
understanding, but I rarely feel it. Not only that, but I have slightly
more than a mustard seed of faith that I want to grow... but, I still
have so many questions and doubts, add that with the enemy's near
relentless attacks, and I still, over seven years later, wonder why I
haven't been able to see God's face, even though I seek it regularly.
I can't hear Jesus speaking to me, and I often wonder whether or not
He's in my heart. There's a term we have here in this fallen world for
people who talk to beings that aren't actually there, and there are
times when I wonder if I'm losing it. My intention is not to tempt or
ask THE God who created you, me and everything else for circus tricks...
I just want clarification, I would like to know that I've sufficiently
turned away from my old, occult ways and that I'm part of God's family
now.
I have an understanding that the disconnect is not on God's end... but,
the fact remains that I'm seeking, knocking and asking, yet I don't seem
to be finding like I thought I would; the door doesn't seem to be as
open as envisioned, and I'm not receiving. Again, I don't blame Jesus or
God... I do acknowledge that, due to many circumstances that are beyond
me and my control (and several that I've admittedly had a hand in, as
well), I'm having a hard time KNOWING that I'm on the right track. And,
after 40 years of being on the wrong path, I don't want to slip further
away, or worse — be discarded like a fig tree, because I'm discouraged
or lukewarm or not bearing the right amount of fruit in the allotted
time.
5) Repentance. From what I understand, the Greek word is Metanoia, and
means to turn away, to change your mind. Here comes that "feelings" word
again (which, many say not to trust, because of their volatile nature
and because it might be heartburn or the like ), but it doesn't "feel"
like I'm doing it the way I'm supposed to.
While I'm still thoroughly imperfect, I've turned away from many sins.
One example is my speech... where I grew up, swearing and having a
generally foul mouth was a right of passage, nothing to be looked down
upon. In fact, the more the funnier and so much the better. Something
like that anyway. Here I am __ years old, and for the first time, maybe
three or four years ago, I had the inclination, out of the blue, to
remedy that situation, to cleanup my mouth.
I give those examples to show that... with regard to all of my many
questions and doubts, it's not like nothing whatsoever is happening. Non
sequitur alert — before I forget again, I want to say that I really hate
when these young kids say "I feel like" all of the time, and yet here I
am talking about how I don't feel this and that. I attribute the
incessant talk about feelings with the "Woke" ideology/mind virus that's
largely responsible for destroying our once-great country.
Anyway, I know I'm not the keeper of time, and ___ and I have actually
talked about this before, that God is perfect and knew the end from the
beginning. I get it. The issue I'm having, within the understanding of
what I wrote a sentence ago, is that... I want to be further along than
I am, because I'm watching the end of all things manifest before my very
eyes. I'm not looking for sympathy or anything else... it's just that
I've been up and down, and all around in life, and the last 15 years or
so have left me completely submerged in the nadir of despair.
I thought that being born again meant that a new, better life was afoot.
That joy, and peace and, "... life more abundantly", were for the taking
if one would believe on Christ. Instead, while some things have changed,
a countable number have remained the same. As stated (probably a couple
times now), I'm __, living in government/subsidized housing. Everything
I've tried to do in the last decade or more has led me to take three
steps forward, and then NINE steps back. I can barely pay attention most
days, much less all of my bills, especially as inflation seems to never
stop inflating. Based on my lovely upbringing, I can't seem to find
decent human beings to have fellowship, and can count the people I
associate with using three fingers.
With all of that said (and, like with your life and everyone else's
life, there's a lot more to the story than can be captured, even in a
monumental email), I can say that I've been in the refiner's fire; God
has been chastening me, as is written in John, I've decreased so that He
can increase. I get it. But, here I sit fairly helpless and unable to do
much for myself, much less THE Kingdom, hoping and praying and begging
God to guide me and bless me so that I can do more than just sit here
and rot away... and nothing. Once again, I didn't think it's God's
fault, I'm sure the wires are crossed on my end, but none of my prayer
or troubleshooting is leading me to the root of the problem.
Well, I have more questions, but before this letter gets too much longer
or more out of hand, I should end it. Any illumination or critique of
what I've written above, will be welcome and appreciated. And, please
don't hold back... I'm on a quest for truth, understanding and God, and
from what little I've been able to glean — said quest isn't always about
rainbows, sunshine and cotton candy.
Prost,
Response #20:
You're talking about ___? Apologies, but, again, you haven't let me know
which "___" you're mentioning. I'm happy to take your questions in any
case (I just don't do phone calls).
As to fasting, it's not something that I recommend. I don't dissuade
believers from doing it either, but it's an often misunderstood and more
often abused thing (see
the link which leads to other links).
1) This scripture (1Pet.5:7; fr. Ps.55:22) is all about learning to
trust the Lord. It's easy to say, "I trust the Lord", but faith is like
a muscle. It grows with exercise and feeding (passing tests / learning
the truth). It's not too much to say that the Christian life is all
about learning to trust the Lord more. We are saved with a mustard
seed's worth of faith. But then we can and should grow our faith to the
size of a massive tree. But that requires us to respond the correct way.
What is the correct way? Spiritual growth, spiritual progress, and
spiritual production. The three are at once a progression but also
overlap. Growth never ends (or at least it shouldn't); and a believer
can begin having some fruit from the very first (although entering into
the life-ministry the Lord has for him/her can be a long time in
coming); in between, we are all being tested all the time, big and small
tests, daily and also special tests which may last for some time.
Asking how to trust the Lord is like asking how to win an Olympic gold
medal in the Marathon. On the one hand, the answer is simple: train! On
the other hand, all of the ins and outs involved would take months to
explain. And in the end, it's all about the doing, not the knowledge.
Similarly, I can tell anyone how to be saved, but they have to "do it"
by placing faith in Jesus Christ; and I can tell anyone how to grow,
progress and produce so as to win the three crowns, but in the end they
are the ones who have to knuckle down and do what is necessary. I will
follow your rubric, but as I read your email, it strikes me that this is
the essential answer to all of your questions. You won't grow by asking
questions only. You can only grow by committing yourself to a
disciplined program of spiritual growth, submitting to a solid Bible
teaching ministry, learning as much as you can as quickly and as well as
you can, BELIEVING the truth you are taught, then applying it with every
growing faith in your daily walk with the Lord, ministering to others as
the opportunities arise.
This never happens from the outside in. A Christian can't stop doing
this or start doing that or occasionally nodding to God and expect to
grow to spiritual maturity – let alone pass the testing necessary to
receive the crown of life and prepare for the life-ministry Jesus has in
mind for him/her. It takes commitment; it takes consistency; it takes an
awful lot of hard work, "in season and out of season" (2Tim.4:2), in
order to accomplish the goal, in order to win the gold medal in our
Marathon.
(12) [It is] not that I have already gotten [what I am striving for], nor that I have already completed [my course]. Rather, I am continuing to pursue [the prize] in hopes of fully acquiring it – [this prize for whose acquisition] I was myself acquired by Christ Jesus. (13) Brethren, I do not consider that I have already acquired it. This one thing only [do I keep in mind]. Forgetting what lies behind me [on the course] and straining towards the [course] ahead, (14) I continue to drive straight for the tape, towards the prize to which God has called us from the beginning [of our race] in Christ Jesus. (15) So as many as are [spiritually] mature, let us have this attitude (i.e., of focusing on our spiritual advance and reward and not getting hung up on what lies behind: vv.13-14), and if in any matter your attitude is off-center, God will reveal that to you (i.e., assuming you are mature and are advancing as you should). (16) But with respect to the progress you have made, keep on advancing in the same way!
Philippians 3:12-16
2) Re: tobacco and alcohol (et al.), as Paul says . . .
“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything.
1st Corinthians 6:12
“All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up.
1st Corinthians 10:23
Is smoking a sin? Not in and of itself. Is drinking alcohol a sin? Not in and of itself. The same could be said of many things which are not, per se, sinful. Yet most of these sorts of things, when taken to extremes, can be not only sinful but spiritual disastrous. This is an area of application. That is to say, we Christians are given a great deal of leeway in this life to live our lives as we wish. Now we can take that freedom and use it to live lives pleasing to Jesus Christ, or we can, in typical Laodicean fashion, seek mainly to please ourselves.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me."
Matthew 16:24 NIV
If what we are doing sends a negative message to others about the gospel, is it
profitable? If it compromises our spiritual growth is it helpful? If it causes
us to only occasionally do what it is we should be doing, pursuing an aggressive
approach to spiritual growth, should we not reconsider?
None of us is perfect and none of us is running a perfect race. But to go back
to my Marathon analogy, I doubt that anyone truly committed to spiritual growth
is spending most evenings smoking and drinking and over-eating, then going out
for a "short jog", so to speak, on Saturday. There is a big difference between
someone who really wants to win gold and someone who is merely fantasizing about
it. Similarly in the Christian life. No, none of us is perfect, but there is a
big difference – and a notable one – between those who are running to win and
those who are not. It's not about staying away from bad or sinful behavior
(though that is part of it); rather, it is about doing what the Lord wants:
growing in faith, growing in the Word, believing the truth, putting what we have
learned and believed into practice, passing the tests, even when they are hard,
trusting Him no matter what, and getting to the point of helping others do
likewise. This doesn't happen accidentally. This requires commitment . . . and
consistent follow through on that commitment. It's easy to commit. Not so easy
to run, run, run day in and day out in good weather and bad, when we are feeling
it and when we are not, pushing through pain and fatigue, looking toward the
upward goal (Phil.3:14).
3) With the exception of cult versions (like the JW's NWT), most English Bibles
are fair translations of the Hebrew and Greek. As you read Ichthys, you will see
that I take translations from a wide variety of versions, presenting whatever
seems to me to hit the mark and the right tone, based on the original languages.
And when none of them does (as is sometimes the case), I translate the passage
myself. The problem with KJV (any version of it) is that it was based upon
inferior manuscripts because none of the main, ancient manuscripts of the Greek
New Testament had yet come to light. So it has, for example, passages that are
not part of the Bible presented as if they were (classic example is the long
ending of the gospel of Mark which actually ends at verse eight; more about all
this at the link).
Personally, I like the pre-1984 NIV the best (but no version is perfect; second
choice is NKJV).
4) The Christian life is about what you KNOW that is actually true; then
BELIEVING what you have learned . . . and sticking with that no matter what
anyone else says or what you hear or what you see or, perhaps most importantly,
what you FEEL. Emotions are important, but, like the woman in the marriage, they
are made to respond, not lead; and just like in marriage, where the husband is
not directing things aright, so also in our inner person, when the emotions are
in control, nothing will go well. So we should "go with that we KNOW (by faith
in the truth), and NOT "reel with what we FEEL" based upon all manner of
exiguous circumstances and events. Again, the answer to getting feelings under
control so that they support our "Marathon challenge" instead of fighting
against it is . . . spiritual growth and progress.
Note: I got the one-time J&J shot. It was not something I preferred doing, but I
wasn't allowed to teach without it without wearing a mask, and no one can teach
wearing a mask. I didn't and don't see anything nefarious in what happened (just
gross incompetence and titanic folly). Between positing diabolical conspiracy
theories of world domination on the one hand, and virtuous science and
government only wanting what is good lies the truth. I wouldn't trust science or
government; I wouldn't believe all the hoo-ha on the internet either. This is
the devil's world. We all know that (or should). We have our eyes open so as not
to be deceived by either side of this equation (Matt.10:16). One of the quickest
ways to end up in the ditch in our Marathon training is to get involved in
politics. Because politics, getting involved in any variety, any side, to any
serious degree, is detrimental to our spiritual advance (link).
5) Repentance (see
the link): This is a perfect example of what I said above. The Bible says
you are forgiven if you confess your sins to the Lord (e.g., 1Jn.1:9); not
believing this is a problem; not believing anything the Bible says is a problem,
but this is a BIG problem because the devil is adept at using our feelings of
guilt against us. We need to believe what God tells us – and as sinners, if we
don't have this issue straight, we will either be wracked with guilt or what is
worse: be tempted to redefine what sin is to our own advantage and claim we are
not sinners when we are (this is the basis for all legalism, the deadly strain
of satanic thinking that is killing the church-visible;
link). This
doesn't mean that we use this freedom to sin. Far from it! We use this freedom
to live godly lives and delight in the fear of the Lord.
You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.
Galatians 5:13 NIV
Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God's slaves.
1st Peter 2:16 NIV
You've asked me a lot of questions, and I've given you a few answers. But there are hundreds of questions you need answers to – no, thousands and perhaps tens of thousands. And they all intersect. Growing spiritually is like building a skyscraper out of bricks. You don't need just a few. You need them all. And they all have to go in the right places, one brick at a time until you get to the top. It's not an overnight process and it's not easy. But it IS possible. Someone is going to win that Olympic Marathon medal. The great blessing of being a part of the Church of Jesus Christ is that it's not a competition – it's a cooperation. We can ALL win. But we don't get a trophy just for showing up. We ALL have to put in the effort – for something eternal, not merely temporal.
(24) Don't you know that all the runners in the stadium run the race, but that only one receives the prize? Run in such a way so as to achieve what you are after. (25) And again, everyone involved in competition exercises self-control in all respects. Those athletes go through such things so that they may receive a perishable crown of victory, but we do it to receive an imperishable one. (26) So as I run this race of ours, I'm heading straight for the finish line; and as I box this bout of ours, I'm making every punch count. (27) I'm "pummeling my body", one might say, bringing myself under strict control so that, after having preached [the gospel] to others, I might not myself be disqualified [from receiving the prize we all seek].
1st Corinthians 9:24-27
So my advice to you is to commit to reading Ichthys. Read Peter. Read Basics.
Read SR. Read CT. Read Hebrews. Read the email responses (all of them). And then
read them again. BELIEVE the truth of the spiritual food you are being provided
– because only what we have converted in our hearts into "full-knowledge" (epignosis)
is of any use to the Spirit in this race we are running with His help (see
the link). None of this happens by accident. It takes effort at every turn.
But if you do commit to training the way the Spirit is leading you to train, you
can get there. You can win that medal. You can win those crowns of victory. We
all can. It just takes faith.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #21:
Hi Bob,
You said, "I'm confident in the Lord to lead to the site anyone who really wants
to learn and grow." The Lord did that for me.
You want exactly what the Lord wants from the ministry He has given you. For
believers to grow up through the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior,
Jesus Christ. (2nd Peter 3:18). To help believers grow spiritually and progress
in their walk with the Lord. So those He does send your way and who do
appreciate and make use of all the materials at Ichthys are those who have the
same desire. I agree with you - better to have a few who do learn and grow than
huge numbers who do nothing and get nowhere.
I watched a video on YouTube the other day from a Christian ministry. The person
was talking about how thrilled they were at hitting a certain number of
subscribers. Then they said by the end of next year they're praying that they
reach 100k subscribers. They do seem genuine in their love for the Lord and
their ministry and people seem to be benefiting from it. Only the Lord knows
their heart but something about that felt really off to me. I don't think it
should be the numbers that are important or that we're focusing on or getting
caught up in. Those numbers don't necessarily mean anything. It reminds me of
mega-churches. How many of those who attend these churches are growing
spiritually or even saved? Surely it's quality not quantity that counts? Am I
seeing this right, Bob?
I'm so very grateful for all of the hard work you put in for us day after day.
And you never ask for a single penny for any of it. All you ask is for our
prayers and I do pray for you, your family, the ministry, your work at the uni
etc.
And what you wrote about self-encouragement in the Tribulation was exactly what
I was getting at. You always describe it in such a beautiful way!
Friday tomorrow - a tough day at work - thanks for your prayers, Bob!
In Jesus
Response #21:
I'll say an extra prayer for you for a good Friday. One last meeting
tomorrow (at least I hope it's the last). Today was a lot of angst with
the auto. It did get fixed but instead of just an oil change it got
multiple filters, brake work, a new battery, spark plugs . . . and four
new tires. Needless to say it cost a whole lot more than anticipated.
But this one has to last, so I'm not going to defer maintenance if I can
help it. Anyway, the break is about to begin in earnest (even if it's a
week later than I'd hoped for).
On numbers, that is "the whole game" in the church-visible, and not just
on the internet – especially in brick and mortar places, whether large
or small, and whatever denomination or disposition. The more people, the
better it must be, right? I am SO happy that I don't have to play that
game. Pastors who earn a salary for their toil really do have to be
careful about not falling into that trap. As Paul said,
This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
1st Corinthians 4:1-4 NLT
Thanks for all the good words, my friend – and for the prayers.
In Jesus,
Bob L.